What other reason would have to talk to her in a bar if you don’t know her? Don’t be cute. Yoiu understand the context perfectly well.
Basically, a hot girl told you not to bother, so you decided to respond by calling her fat. I’m sure she’d be real broken up about that if she heard it.
I completely agree. But Scylla has made clear on multiple occasions that no amount of criticism will stop him from being an asshole, so it’s sometimes more productive to simply point out places where he’s factually incorrect, or where his claims have no basis in fact. Happily he provides plenty of opportunity for that as well.
Oh, okay- carry on, then. 
I think you’re misinterpreting me Alice. Meeting girls in bars was never my forte. I’m married and I don’t hit on anybody. If I was in public and I saw a man overtly harassing a women I would feel obligated to intercede on her behalf
I just think that if Fred Average is in a bar, and he sees a pretty girl, that there is nothing wrong with him going up to her and saying “Hi, my name is Fred. May I join you?” or something along those lines.
I also think that if you are a celebrity or a supermodel and you are hanging out in a public bar in such a way that you are approachable than you should not be surprised when people approach you and want to talk to you.
I’ve seen a lot of celebrities and famous people of far greater accomplishments than JH handle the burden of fame with graciousness. I don’t really see how JH’s temporary hotness places her above the level of, say, Teddy Roosevelt.
I leave the mind-reading to you. I go by what she actually said.
But when does it end, then? If there are 200 guys in the bar, does every one of them have the right to walk up and attempt to engage her? Does being born pretty confer upon a woman the obligation to interact with you, because you have a penis? When does *she *get to relax and have fun, which she presumably came out to do- when every man has had an audience with her?
I don’t think that she necessarily should have made this public statement, but she does have the right to her own opinion without being degraded, called fat, called a 2-bit whore, a stuckup bitch, etc. It’s disgusting and misogynistic.
I…I…I’m stunned.
No. Not really. I don’t think I look at the world the way you do.
When I met Claudia Schiffer in an elevator and said “Hi,” I wasn’t trying to have sex with her. I was just happy to be talking to a famous and beautiful woman. Having her speak back to me and smile at me was a thrill. Having her consent to take a picture with me was great.
I don’t think what I did there was harassment or sexual solicitation.
When I was trying to meet women I didn’t do so by propositioning them for sex.
Maybe your worldview assumes that the context of any man seeking social interraction with a women is soliciting sex, but mine does not. I didn’t have a lot of sexual partners, nor did I seek them. I was pretty much a serial monogamist seeking long term relationships. If I was trying to meet a woman that was what i had in mind.
Other than that, I just might have been seeking a social interraction with someone I found intriguing. I meet and talk to people that I didn’t know previously all the time. Those interractions aren’t about sex.
Seriously, you have a pretty fucking perverted worldview here, and I resent your trying to thrust it on me. Jess Hart simply thinks that she is so hot that she is unapprocachable and above normal social interractions with the hoi-polloi. I think she is in for a rude awakening when she discovers the transient nature of her beauty.
The stuck up part is from her statement that “If you see me, or another model, in a bar wait until you are spoken too before you speak.”
That says that she is your superior and one should wait until she confers a favor upon the peasantry.
Maybe she didn’t mean to be quite so harsh but that’s how it comes across.
Frankly, i don’t think she should be swarmed by every guy in a bar but she will be approached by guys she considers undesirable.
I absolutely, totally, 100% support her right to be able to simply BE in a bar and not have to put up with annoying guys trying to start something (conversation or etc).
In my acknowledgment & acceptance of her terms, I make it plain (I hope) that it would not be my inclination to push my over to where she is anyway, as per my own take on all this gendered stuff, but I don’t bear her any malice and no contempt was intended.
No. I don’t expect any special considerations for having a penis. I would simply espouse the golden rule. That she would treat others as she would like to be treated, presumably with basic decency. I would expect that she would not place herself above everybody else and expect special treatment because she’s a model.
I would think that the burden of her wealth and fame is that people are going to want to talk to her, and that she should handle it with the grace and class that people far more famous and accomplished than her handle it all the time.
I thought her comments degraded herself. FTR, I called her none of those things. I was specific in what I said.
Don’t forget two bit whore! Got to find a way to belittle her since she doesn’t want to be hit on by ordinary guys. For that she should be tarred and feathered. The nerve of her. Of course, if she was some super smart nerd who said “Dumb people need not hit on me!” she’d be praised.
Should she have said it? Nope. Knowing how things get quoted out of context I can’t say that it is exactly what she meant, but even if it is I would think it hardly deserves the hypersensitive and shrill trumpeting whine of our OP or the other insecure idiots who followed in his wake.
So maybe she’s really tired of being hit on by creepy strangers in bars, which is understandable, and has expressed that unwisely. Still doesn’t make her fat or any of the other things that she’s been called by some people in this thread.
Alice:
I also think this being swarmed thing is maybe going down a slippery slope. Everybody has social interactions that they would rather not have. That’s the price of having social interactions.
If I want to make myself unavailable to public social interactions than I stay in a private place. I have a private party. I rent a private room. Apparently, a lot of clubs and bars have private rooms for celebrities so that they don’t have to constantly deal with fans or admirers. I would guess that supermodels would qualify for the use of these rooms.
There are lots of venues available where someone like Jesse Hart can be exclusive and discriminatory about who was access to her, and, I think that in a general public setting such as in a grocery store, or walking her dog, or jogging she should typically be left alone, just as you or I would want to be left alone.
However, if she chooses to hang out in the public portion of a public bar, which is a venue particularly designed and traditionally used for social interactions between strangers or acquaintances, a place to go out and meet people… If she chooses to go to a place like that, than she really shouldn’t get tee’d off when people try to talk to her.
I didn’t call her fat.
Right, you called her technically obese. My bad!
I’m glad I’ve seen this thread. If I ever see this woman in a bar, I will go up to her and tell her that I agree that men should not talk to her unless she speaks to them first.
I’ve been fortunate enough to have known a couple of super attractive women in my life - I’m talking, tongue on the floor, cars stopping on the street hot, and the constant barrage of guys hitting on them really does become a bane to them. I can see how it might sound like a shallow complaint, but it gets really wearing for them to get no surceace from it and frequently get called “bitches,” “stuck up” etc. if they blow off the 12th guy that night to sidel up to them.
They usually get stalkers too.
And if she’s wearing skimpy clothes, she’s REALLY asking for it.
No biggee.