Joe_Cool, you are a liar and a bigot

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What the fuck is this shit? Race as a biological concept has been debunked. As a sociological concept, well, we pretty much all check something off on the Census forms. Certainly, the lack of a clear biological difference between races doesn’t seem to be a hinderance to those who want to hate others based on their skin color, and it would be stupid to throw away the word “racist” to describe those people just because the concept of race is biologically meaningless?

More importantly, does it fucking matter? Is it acceptable to discriminate against people on the basis of skin color as long as you can use semantics to wriggle out of the “racist” label? Does it make your prejudices become magically more justified if they are based on imaginary criteria? Does showing an inconsistency in gobear’s choice of words make hatred a Christian value?

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I don’t accept outrageous statements from proven bigots without proof, and I most especially don’t do so when every reputable and semi-reputable news source I can find indicates nothing like it occurred.

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Joe, yeah, remember when we used to respect Gobear? Man, that takes me back. What was that, like, months ago?

I forget even why I respected him. Something about his insight and calm tone in a weight-loss clusterfuck. Ah, well. Every dog has its day… and then some start slobbering foam everywhere.

I wrote a Gobear script for future generations to enjoy, lest this model become too flawed. Here’s what we have so far:

Joe, I’m still working on the algorithm, but I think I can get it under 16k. I figure we owe it to the future generations, what?

Big hugs,
Ace

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You are an amazingly smug being for a lower life form.

You seem to have a great skill for coming into a thread and adding your insipid two cents to an argument.

If I was to create an algorithm to try and replicate the AceOSpades experience, I’m sure I’d finish in seconds as your lack of wit and creativity would bring it in at less than 2k.

Still, it would probably turn out to be virulent, infecting the computers of others with stupidity and a lack of originality.

So… rather than create it, I’ll do what your mother should have done, and abort the idea before it is unleashed upon the world.

:smiley:

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You falsely claimed that all gay people hate themselves and are miserable, I refuted that clearly false statement. Because gay men might have good jobs does not make those jobs secure against homophobia, and loving my boyfriend does not make gay marriage legal. My boyfriend makes me happy; being able to marry him legally would make me happier. That you can’t figure that out just shows the limits of your intelligence. You’re not worth wasting any energy on.

Ace, fuck off, troll.

RexDart, where were you when the fundies were starting this conflict? Don’t pretent to be “fair” when you defend bigots but you say not one word in defense of their victims.
You’re not worth wasting a long reply on, **Joe

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I’ve met Joe_Cool on a couple occasions. Seems to be a nice enough guy to me.

It is possible to hold opinions that people don’t agree with, even stupid ones, and not be an evil demon-spawn who kills puppies and burns teddy bears.

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You mean it isn’t?

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I agree. I thought Joe_Cool was cool because my first encounter with him was in his Dawn of the Dead thread, and anybody who loves zombie flicks has to have something worth liking.

But the posts he’s written lately have genuinely infuriated me.

And I apologize for the Eva Braun remark. JerseyDiamond and I don’t agree on anything, but she doesn’t merit comparison to Hitler’s girlfriend. I’m sorry.

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Sorry, sorry, that should have read:

You mean it isn’t?

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Joe_Cool, with all due respect, His4Ever accused a protege of mine and, by extension, me of near blasphemy and wondered if our minds were being “warped by the evil one.” After a rather long dialog, she and I were able to establish that was not her original intent, nevertheless, the initial statement exists. This week, I told her, quite rightly, that her and your take on Christianity as presented here was driving me away from Christianity and that she was presenting a one-sided view of God. I do not consider that to be a “verbal rapist,” and I don’t consider to be the two to be of equal weight.

I have been persecuted by Christians for being different and for having a friend who was different (handicaps, in her case). I may not like it, but it is fact. By the way, the town I grew up in didn’t have Fundamentalist Christians, so it was actually mostly Presbyterians and Catholics doing the bashing (no offended to any of the three).

I read some of the stuff you’ve written in Cafe Society, and aside from a dispute about the exact possibilty of salvation for homosexuals (I’m still confused by the “Homosexuals are sinful”/“All that is necessary for salvation is to proclaim Christ as one’s Saviour” dichotomy), I don’t really have a problem with you.

I do have a problem with the constant drumbeat of “X is sinful. Y is sinful. Z is sinful. You’re all going to burn in Hell.” I’m not attributing this to you, or even necessarily His4Ever, but that is the way the message comes across. I’ve said this many times before, but I’ll give it one more shot. We are all sinful. None of us deserve salvation based on our own merits. Yes, God chides, punishes, and tries to get us to come closer to Him.

He also loves and heals. Ten years ago, He reached out to a woman in a mental hospital who believed she was already dead, who knew nothing but fear, pain, and despair, and brought her back to life and hope. At the time, I did not expect to make it out of the hospital. I was also misdiagnosed. I firmly believe that if it had not been for that miracle 10 years ago, I would not be typing these words today. I was nothing, worthless, and lost. My faith was tattered and blown away. God disagreed, and found me, not because of my own faith or merit, but because of His great love.

You will continue to preach what you believe, and I will continue to preach what I believe. Both of us, I suspect, are convinced at some level that we Know what God is. Please understand though, that I do not need to be convinced of my own or any other’s unworthiness. What I need to be reminded of is God’s love.

Respectfully,
CJ

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All I can say is, Amen, Joe_Cool.

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By the way, His4Ever has accepted my apology for my harsh language to her, and I have confessed and atoned for my words to her, you, and Jersey Diamond. Do you accept my apology to you for my language? Please be assured that I do consider the strength and harshness of my response to be wrong.

CJ

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CJ, I know this was directed to Joe_Cool but I just wanted to say that when I get angry or upset or whatever I can be harsh also. Just ask my husband! You’re going through a dificult time. Think nothing of it. I understand and am praying for you.

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Uh, what? I said that when? I’m a little tired of your habit of taking each person you don’t like and putting on them the collective sins of everybody who has (in your twisted perception) wronged you in life.

No, Ace, don’t. You’re making this thread worth reading.

I’m not “the fundies.” I’m Joe_Cool. If you want to complain about “the fundies” then why don’t you start a thread about them? Since you started this thread about me, how about if you keep it confined to complaining about things that I actually did, eh? I started no conflict with you at all - YOU, in a fit of infantile anger because you don’t like what the bible says, attacked those of us who merely reported it. I have never served any sort of injustice on you, advocated beating or killing or oppressing you, etc.

But you just want to act like a childish asshole. I really don’t care whether you like me or not, but if you’re going to bitch and whine in here, at least bitch and whine about what I really did and said, not this imagined garbage.

But I’m worth a thread? :rolleyes:
You’re acting just like a chihuahua - not doing anything productive, only yapping constantly. And it’s giving me a headache. Give it a rest already.

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Feh.

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Joe_ Cool, there is not a thing that I could type on this board that would be anywhere near the equivalent, physically, morally, or by any other criteria, of rape.

You should apologize to everyone on that list.

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Gobear: That’s one hell of a persecution complex you’ve got there. Here, I’ll state it plainly, you stubborn rabid chihuahua:
[ul]
[li]People who’s opinions you don’t like are not the same as millions of gaybashers worldwide.[/li]
[li]People who insult you are not trolls.[/li]
[li]Joe_Cool is not all fundies.[/li][/ul]
I’ve met Joe – in a bar, even – where we played 9-Ball, the horrors. He’s a good looking man, with dark hair and goatee IIRC; his fiancée is gorgeous, like Mariah Carey, if Mariah Carey was sweet, and nice, and better looking; they both struck me as mensches; Not once did they damn this atheist to hell, (or even bring up religion); Not once did they make judgmental opinions of the other bar patrons; Not once did they cast disdain upon the drug users of 10th avenue, not once.

Can you understand, then, regardless of my thoughts on the correctness of their opinions, it upsets me to see them treated unfairly, being treated as faceless members of a class, or compared to Hitler? Good for you for apologizing about comparing Jersey_Diamond to Eva Braun, but why would you post such a thing in the first place? Your disproportionate agnger, your hasty and lazy thoughts, your gross generalizations and strange insults, and last but most importantly, your bigoted – yes I said bigoted – interactions with Joe_Cool among others ‘fundies’ all bespeak a massive persecution complex. Why, I haven’t the foggiest, but demonizing and dehumanizing individuals on the SDMB is not the answer.

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by RexDart *
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By the way, why is it that some people think they’re so frickin’ clever to refer to god as “she” and “her”, like gobear does in his OP? Does he think that’s a really original and witty way to attack a Christian? I can almost visualize him writing it in male pronouns originally and then thinking “haha, I should change that to female pronouns just to piss off Joe_Cool, I bet that will really get his goat!” Well, I guess I should just bow down to the power of gobear’s mighty wit.*

What? Why is referring to God as “she” an insult? God is not “male” or “female”. I realize it may be traditional to refer to God as male, but the Bible uses female language to describe God in many instances. (ex. “El Shaddai”, “Shad” = female breast.)Why would anyone take offense to referring to God as “she?” Unless you consider “she” to be a weaker name, somehow.

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Then why do they insist on doing it online?

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What imagined garbage? read the OP; I’m not busting you for your views on gays–I’m busting you because you

A. Accused Kirkland, MrVisible, Guinastasia, Vanilla, Cjhoworth, and me of being verbal rapists, and then you tried to weasel out of it by claiming you meant soemthing else.

b. You lied about the Palestinian inhabitants of Paterson, NJ, celebrating 9/11, and made some extremely racist comments in the thread I referenced.

And your retort is even more bizarre

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gobear, hasn’t the concept of race been pretty thoroughly debunked? How can you then call me a racist if there is no such thing as race? And I wasn’t aware that there was ever thought to be a “Palestinian” race, I thought it was just negroid, caucasoid, and mongoloid. You sure do seem to have a selective memory when it suits you.

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Let me spell it out so even you can understand, hating people for their ethnic origin is racism. You wrote, " So in my limited experience, I have found Palestinians to be a very hateful people." You’re a racist.

From this, you make it sound like you have nothing to do with Chick. But you also wrote

So it sure sounds like you support Chick’s lies about catholics, Mormons, Muslims, and the like. Hypocrite, much?

You said it, but your post and my reply seem to have been eaten in the last board crash. In any event the gist of my reply in that thread is that you said gays were unhappy creatures tortured by their sin, I said that was not so because there are many happy, successful, content gays living ordianry lives. Of course, we’d be happier if we had inheritance rights, legal marriage, automatic health coverage for spouses, joint tax filing for couples, and the like.