What’s wrong? Tired of making things up already?
Question-when did he say that? I’ve been searching the entire thread, and I can’t find it?
1000 pages? Hell, that’s about the size of LOTR-and that’s leaving out the appendix!
Post #286 which my text is below:
The Catholic rite of exorcism is a very weird thing and not scriptural and not how I witnesses real demons being cast out. They are cast out just as it states in scripture. ‘In the name of Jesus I command the spirit of the antichrist to come out of this thread and never to return’. That’s how it works in scriptures and that’s how it works with the power of God today.
No where can you find anything in scriptures about what is done in exorcisms, and if it’s not in scripture you don’t want it.
But demons are very real, though OCD may be the result of damage inflicted to you by the world and may need healing, not being cast out.
No, actually, OCD is the result of a chemical imbalance, you’re born with it. So you can’t become OCD, fortunately. Sadly, there is no cure-only treatment. Same with epilepsy-while I wasn’t born with it, there’s no cure. It’s genetic in my case.
But I can deal. It’s nothing more than a nuisance, nowadays.
As for trying to exorcise this thread-no comment.
WHY?.
I’ve never once gotten an answer for this. WHY is death/blood required to wash away sin. God makes the rules. He could very easily say “To remove sin only takes a sacrifice of frosty chocolate milkshakes and chewy fig newtons”. It’s entirely within his power to do that. So why wouldn’t he?
Nothing is beyond God’s ability to cure, but that’s not to say He will cure all disorders. I’m going to say the following, sort of knowing you won’t agree with it, but her is it anyway.
A lot happens in the womb, it happens in the spiritual, not physical and it sets the pattern of our lives. OCD sounds like extreme legalism, a pattern to enforce you to make sure that everything is in order, a form of perfectionism. (and yes this can physically manifest itself as a chemical imbalance)
God never made us to be perfect, He does not expect us to be, He wants to use our imperfection to show His perfection. Yes someone with OCD may wonder if they left the water running, but given to God, that person no longer worries because God is guiding their life and if they did leave the water running it will work out for the good (for those who Love Him and are called according to His purpose), perhaps it will stop the pipes from freezing.
Jesus does not want us to live like that and is willing to take that from you if you trust Him.
Sin is to step outside the will of God. Since God is life, to step outside of life would bring death. That death is spread out over our physical lives to give us a chance to repent and come back.
Another way of looking at this is if you sin, which is usually the territory of the devil, you sell yourself as a slave to that sin, in other words you are a slave to the devil. There is nothing you can give the devil for your freedom as he now owns you and everything you own, and that you will produce, including offspring. The only way would be for someone else to buy you from him, but everyone else also is in the exact same position as you are, except Jesus.
You should probably make that your sig.
That still begs the question of “WHY?”
God could have made it so that the devil owns everything you produce except Oreos. And then you could buy yourself from the devil with yummy cookies. To say that only death can expiate sin is a stupid design–testing a production system to destruction is stupid and wasteful. It’s simply bad engineering.*
Mine is clearly a better system. Why am I smarter than God when it comes to this?
Guinastasia, for the love of God & your own sanity, please stop arguing with kanicbird. He espouses exactly the same gormless bullshit as my oldest brother, and nothing short of the direct neurological intervention of the Lord of Hosts is going to change his stated positions here. At best he is a zealot who is as impervious to logic & evidence as Clark Kent is to bullets & knives; at worst he is a troll looking for billy-goats.
Umm. Are you going to explicate that asterisk?
Smile when you say that, pardner.
(bolding mine)
That’s the thing that really makes me think we should be over this religion stuff by now. Why isn’t it clear to everybody that this bronze-age crap wasn’t even thought through properly at the time, let alone in the last few thousand years? Modern humans come up with better solutions than an allegedly perfect being on a daily basis, and few notice this.
It’s infuriating sometimes.
*The paragraph was going to say something about testing a bridge to destruction by marching people over it until it collapsed and then, after it did, posting a sign with the weigh limit and rebuilding the bridge. But I decided not to post it.
There’s a lot of Kanicbird’s stuff I don’t agree with. I think it’s strange that, as a Pentecostal, he does put stock in versions of the Bible other than the KJV. Every Pentecostal church I have ever attended has said that the KJV is the only authorized word of God. and any other version will lead you straight to Hell.
I don’t think he’s a troll, and I do think he’s sincere in his beliefs. He has been a gentleman throughout all this: if he’d have flown off the handle, how many of us would have said, “See? Told you so! How much of a Christian can he be?” No matter how much I disagree with him, I have to admire him for standing his ground against everyone here.
Demons? Yeah, but I don’t think I’ve ever met one. Heaven and Hell? I believe in an afterlife, but I don’t know what it’s going to be like. I’ll find that out when I get there. And if there is none: then I’ll know I’ve lived my life on Earth as best as I can. Disease? God may be able to heal, but I believe that doctors were given their healing knowledge for that reason. Medicines were created by that knowledge to help people feel better.
I believe in God and Jesus, but I also believe God speaks to people in different ways. I am not to judge whether someone’s path is right or wrong, but I am to follow mine with all my heart and act as a support for others who need it, no matter what path they follow. This is why I love to study and read about other religions: I can’t understand and support if I don’t know about them.
I love to talk about religion. I love to compare and take notes and learn. I do not like to argue. And this is why I don’t fit in well in any church. Fenris does have a point: with God being all-powerful and everything, why did someone - especially His Son - have to die? If He forgives our sins, why did He have to go that far? Why couldn’t it have been something else? The wages of sin not being death, but broccoli: and the gift of God being eternal life through Girl Scout cookies? That’s something I have to think about.
Very well. I nearly always find it worthwhile to read Fenris’s postings. 
Finding an asterisk is like finding a little note that says “Wait, there’s more!” Then, not getting more turns out to be a dreadful disappointment.
:):)
ETA: Juliana you’re a nice person.
I might wonder about that too, if I cared enough (adopted). What if “daddy” was a Freddy Kreuger type? :eek:
Y’know–the other problem with the “God punishes sin by, after you die, making you suffer forever” thing is that it doesn’t provide any feedback.
So, Kanicbird–what about this system: Under the new Fenris/God Renegotiated-Covenant (I’m a Jew, so I never had to accept Jesus’s New Deal version) the law is simple:
The wages of sin are now stench.
If you’re evil, you stink. The more evil you are, the more your body radiates noxious odors. To the point where no-one, even your loyal minions, can get near you. Hell, it could even be magical stench that works it’s way through hermetically sealed rooms, oozes around gas masks, flows through telephone lines and over cell/airwave transmissions. (Note–it doesn’t wash off, ever, and you never get used to your own smell)
This has several pluses:
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Immediate feedback–none of this “I’m Christian, so can I eat pork? Or is it still a sin” stuff. You’d know right away–you don’t have to wait until you died to see if you guessed right.
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It’s hard to be seriously ee-vil if you can’t communicate with anyone–as your evil grows, so does your stink–to the point where you can’t even talk to your flunkies–you essentially isolate yourself. How much damage could Hitler really have done if his big Reichstag speech was done via semaphore flags at 2000 feet?
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It encourages people to get better. Unlike the current system where you can be eee-vil until you get old, get a 5-minute before death conversion and sneak into heaven with all the benefits of life lived evilly. The Fenris Method[sup]tm[/sup] will not allow you to be evil and reap the rewards. Hell, you can’t even get a good meal 'cause everything will taste like you smell.
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You can even get better on a pay-as-you-go plan. Kicked the crutches out from a little old lady and now you smell like rotting onions and stinky cheese? Make up for it by helping to build a homeless shelter or something–sweat off your sin.
It’s much better than the Jesus Plan–his version, you don’t know if you’ve done something wrong until it’s too late, there’s no immediate feedback to STOP people from being evil to each other (so the evil can grow), there’s no way to get better except a last-ditch guess with a “get out of jail free” card.
So again, why didn’t God set something up this way?
Because what fun would *that *be?