Kinda By Request: The New MMP!

Most of you know parts of this but since its an early start (like packing I do everything in advance) I’ll flesh it out a little.

As most of you know, my Dad and I were close to each other. Not so much the constant companion thing as in personality; we’re both silly as Hades and enjoy raising an eyebrow now and then. Dad always enjoyed it when folks from his generation would start talking about WW II. He would just sit that and look interested through the usual I-was-at-the-Bulge or I-was-at-Salerno and then he would drop his bombshell:

“I declared war on the Japanese 8 months before the United States did.”

Huh?

Well, to understand this you need some background. His father was a ---- bad father isn’t quite right. He was just Old Country born and raised and those were his ways. He had been over here and worked before going home to get married and start his family, but the “American way” just wasn’t his way. As a result all his kids basically ran off on their own as quickly as they could after their mother passed away. The oldest boy used family contacts (an uncle who was famous to some degree in early aviation) to get into the Army Air Corps. The oldest girl ran off to live with relatives (rather than be married off at 16 to a 50some year old man) and later ended up in the WACs. The younger girl to something air-related that no-one was ever clear about; maybe one of her kids will clue us in some day. If they know. Did I ever mention my family is a little strange?

That left Dad, the baby of the family, at home. With Grandpap. And no-one was really happy about that.

Sometime in 1940, Claire Chennault approached my uncle about this scheme he was working on; forming an air combat unit for the Chinese government with basically-sort-of-permission from the US. He specifically wanted someone who was a whiz with radios but also fluent in Russian because there was an outside chance that in addition to American and British volunteers, there could be a group of Russians as well. Everyone in the old “brown-shoe” AAC told him “you want Sarge” as Uncle Kopek was known to everyone. But Uncle Kopek had no interest in giving up what he saw as his life’s calling for this oddball plan.

But his little brother now; hmmm. This could just maybe work out. He was a magician at anything radio or electrical. And he spoke a couple of the “old-country languages”. And Claire or whoever it was who talked to him (or whoever they talked to - like I said my family can be a little strange) was very impressed. One slight issue though; he could have been as young as 13 or 14. But we’re talking coal-fields 13; someone who had farmed since he could walk and been a breaker-boy since he was 5. I have pictures of him (unfortunately undated) marked as “age 10” and I have to admit that he could have passed for 16 even then. A hard life will do that to you.

But my family is sort of clan-ish and not above breaking some small laws here and there (usually the distilling of spirits and speed limits) to do what they see as right. And EVERYONE agreed getting Dad away from Grandpap was right so -------- the parish priest was enlisted in the scheme and paperwork was created making Dad something like 17. And Chennault - or someone at least - bought it! In retrospect I always felt that the AVG (American Volunteer Group) was either desperate or Dad’s skills were so wild that someone winked and turned their head.

But the long and short is that as of April 1940 or so, technically, Dad was a member of the Chinese Air Force. All the fudging of papers and all kept his from being among the very first people who went overseas and he didn’t get into the Theater until right around Pearl Harbor or a bit later and even serious historians aren’t sure if he’s “second group” or just what but --------- we’re talking about someone who didn’t let small details stop him very often. And who had the Chinese enlistment papers, uniform, and the original patch to back it up. He actually “pulled rank” (he had risen to the lofty rank of sergeant as well) and got clearance to wear his Tiger patch on his blues when he got called up for Korea. So clearly something was going on there even if the edges were a little fuzzy.

I could go on from there (and will from time to time – you know anyone else who was awarded medals by Chiang Kai-shek’s wife?) but that answers the questions asked. And sets me up for a future OP about hardcoal kids if someone can host a picture for me of the Edwardsville High football team of 1940; some of whom look to be in their 30s but weren’t. But that’s all for another week.

So --------- since the MMP often ends up with a question: anything surprising in your “roots”?

And since this is the only way for me to be first -------- :smiley:

claps Very nice story!

Hmmmm. I’ll go with this one. My folks have a chair known in the family as the Lafayette Chair. Seems that back in the Revolutionary War, the family, which had been known for making carriages, switched their expertise to artillery. The Marquis de Lafayette at some point during the War stopped by the family home to thank them for their support of the war effort.

Second!

I want to know how does one distill speed limits. If you distill them under enough vacuum, do they eventually approach c?

My family’s crazy stories tend to be more along other lines, but here’s one about dear ol’ grandpa Ed.

That side of the family lived in Barcelona. At one point, he’d been volunteered to join the defenders of democracy, spent several months in the Ebro (from what I hear, that’s the kind of experience which is equivalent to several years in a more normal environment - that was one nasty and drawn-out battle), eventually wormed his way into being a guard at a prisoners’ camp near Valencia… aaah, that was the life. It was evident to him which way the wind was blowing, though. He started getting hints that his friends wanted to make him the political officer, and at this point his wife was pregnant with their first.

So he went to the harbor, charmed his way into a ship bound to Barcelona, went home in time to see his kid born, then headed down again and was promptly imprisoned for defection. A few days later the camp was captured by the Nationals and who was the captain in charge of the capturing troops, but the guy who’d been his lieutenant during his military service…

Some people always fall on their ass, and some are half-cat. I think Gramps may have been at least 3/4 cat.

Up, caffeianyed, and sheveled. I foresee a nap after work.

blurf
Terrific story, ruble. Thanks for sharing.
Nothing in my family history is unusual. AFAIK, mom’s side of the family has been in the US since early 19th C. They clustered around Cincinnati until the early 20th C when mom’s branch moved to Brooklyn. Dad’s sisters were both born in a small town in Russia; dad was born in Brooklyn. Mom’s family ran small businesses, some of which blossomed into corporations (i.e. Manischewitz); Dad’s family all worked with their hands, until Dad decided he wanted to become a lawyer. Mom studied art so she could teach, even though she really wanted to be a graphic artist. But that wasn’t a job for a good Jewish girl. (why, I couldn’t tell you, but there it is)

and with that, Happy 5777 and let the leaves fall! THE METS ARE IN THE POST SEASON!

Blurf.

My family seems to have a notable lack of war stories- considering they’re all English, and were living here during the draft, I’m still not sure how it is that I never heard a peep. Probably a combination of health issues, being farmers and being just too young. The only mention of being in any way involved was from an elderly great-aunt, who said she was on air raid watch a few times during the first world war, when she must have been in her early teens. But world war two apparently somehow passed the Nut family by without generating any good stories.

I do know Grandpa got his driving licence then, 'cos they dropped the test for a few years as they were running out of drivers. You could tell :eek:

Anyway, today I shall be mostly pottering round in the allotment, and trying to nap to be ready for the final ludicrous-o-clock shift tomorrow. Happy moanday all!

Great story, **ruble; **thanks for sharing.

My dad was born in 1908, so when WWII came along he was already 33, but enlisted and ended up in the Middle East, leading truck convoys up through what is now Iraq to the Russian border with Lend-Lease supplies. Not exciting, but still part of the effort and it got him around the world (from basic by train to the West coast, by ship to Australia and the Middle East, by ship to the West coast of Africa, by B17 to Brazil, and ship back to the USA). Like a lot of men from that age, he never talked much about it.

I still miss him.

Anyway, blurf. I’m thinking about getting a new dishwasher, mine is still acting up and I am getting the faint smell of ozone that suggests that something electrical is wrong. Since last month bills are paid, it should be doable. I also need to do some housecleaning…later.

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Good morning to my MMP peeps! :smiley:

Very cool OP, kopek!!!

My paternal grandfather was drafted in WWI, but when they figured out he wasn’t yet a citizen, they sent him home. So nothing really exciting there. He eventually went to work for Bethlehem Steel in Baltimore but I never really knew what he did, and my memories of him cover the brief period after his stroke and before he died.

BUT after my dad died, my mom was sorting thru a bunch of old pictures and came across one of this grandfather at work, of all things. And my spousal unit took one look and knew exactly what he did - he worked on their galvanizing production line. And **FCD **knew this because his first engineering job involved a galvanizing line at Florida Wire and Cable. So there’s that.

I’m going to leave in a few minutes to go get blood drawn, so I’m drinking water to make it easier. Then I’ll stop on the way to the office to get something breakfast-like and my day will begin. The kiln was at 2000° and rising when I was just downstairs, so its cycle should be done in an hour or so, I think. And thus begins my day.

Happy Moanday!

Happy Moonday!

It’s still dark outside, but according to my phone it’s going to be a sunny 74 today.

Cool story Ruble.

I have no cool stories. A bunch of uncles served in WWII, but nobody ever talked about it.

Today is pick up groceries day.
Today is also going to be a bite my tongue before I say something I’ll probably regret day. Not my place to say anything, but some people need a good swift verbal kick up their arse.

Awesome story, Ruble! I don’t think my family has anything quite like that. My paternal grandfather was a plane mechanic during the war, and I believe he spent most of his time somewhere in upstate New York. I do know that he spent some of the war in Egypt, but I don’t know under what circumstances. My maternal grandfather was a Marine in the South Pacific who (according to family legend) would have been at Iwo Jima if he hadn’t been in Okinawa recovering from some injury or another. I believe he had some really cool stories that I never heard, but when he was still in a talking frame of mind and local, I was too young to understand why he got so mad when my aunt bought a Japanese car. He only passed last year (after several years of dementia that meant he couldn’t remember the cool stories anyway), and I know one of my cousins has a lot of those stories written down somewhere. I should find them.

My parents are doing a lot of ancestry research (which prompts odd phone calls in which my mother opens the conversation with things like “You are a Daughter of the American Revolution!” and “Don’t get excited, but it’s possible we might be French nobility,” “I found somebody who was thrown out of Salem for being a bad Puritan,” and the strange knowledge that our Mayflower Ancestor had brothers named Fear and Wrestling), and I discovered a couple years ago that my paternal grandfather had an older sister who was shot by her fiance after she broke off the engagement. He ran from the scene and was promptly hit by a train. So karma definitely runs in my family.

I had a mostly relaxing weekend, but that’s all over now. Why? Because nobody can leave things until the last minute like my Roomie, and her wedding is October 15. I don’t expect to have a lot of free time until it’s over. Friday night we made the bouquets, and Saturday was supposed to be for the papercraft centerpieces, but there was a problem. I don’t really want to talk about it because it involved a lot of me swearing at a printer and the realization that everything was wrong after we’d spent at least two previous evenings cutting out pieces. Tonight is hair trials (which sounds strenuous, but is really just sitting in a chair trying to convey to a hairdresser what we want), then the Roomies are going out to talk to their officiant and I can clean my room in peace.

The only vaguely interesting family story is that my dad flew on the second longest bombing mission of WWII (the big one, according to Herbert T. Gillis). One of his AAC pals ended up in a Japanese prison camp and suffered PTSD for the rest of his life. Of course nobody knew what PTSD was.

Nothing special this week. Going to spend time with my horsie, who makes me happy. Have no idea what dinner will be–I’m stopping at the sto on the way home, so probably my favorite dinner. Hamburger patty with salad.

The Pirates are watching the post season from home; as usual. Which is good for the traffic around me (you do NOT want to know what its like when the Pirates and Steelers are playing on the same day) but not so good for them.

A married-into-mothers-side uncle was in the Merchant Marines doing the East Coast to Russia routes. He always wrote it off as “Eh, it was a job”. Until I found out after his death that 3 of the ships he was on were sunk with him on board!

I think a lot of the good stories around our clan are war related because WW II caught us (my extended family) split but in contact between here and the Old Country. Somehow we just ended up in odd places and situations as a result. But there are others -------- like Great-Uncle Andy who started with a Mr Vino wine making kit and ended up on of the more famous moonshiners in the Wyoming Valley. Or my Great-Uncle Andy in Texas who developed the arts of photography and filming from airplanes at the same time airplanes themselves were just being developed, worked with and for Howard Hughes, and then went on to become a renowned expert on pecans. A hundred years from now I don’t know if the stories will be quite that level of cool but -------- we’re trying our best! :smiley:

I would really like some information on that career trajectory.

Whew - lunch and a few minutes to breathe…

I was second in line to get blood drawn (so glad I got there way early) so I was out really fast. There were at least 6 or 7 people who came in after I did - thank goodness I didn’t plan to arrive at 7:30. The phlebotomist was amazing. I warned her I was a bad stick, but she found a good vein first try. Easy-peasy!

LOTS to do at work today. Billy gave me a big stack of drawings that need to be verified, fixed as needed, printed, and passed on to the checker. None are difficult, but they’re old drawings that were brought over when ProE became CREO, and there are a few occasional weirdnesses - like dimensions with 13-place decimals. I don’t think it’s possible to measure tho that precision without maybe an electron microscope… That’s been good for a giggle.

**FCD **picked up our mower this morning. It was in worse shape than we thought, but for less than $200, it’s been fully serviced, repaired, and has new blades. And thanks to all the rain, the grass will definitely need some good mowage this week. Good timing! :smiley:

I wish I had recorded some of the conversations between my maternal grandfather and his brothers when they got a few beers into them. It was a hilarious exchange of can-you-top-this, and even at my young age, I knew they were all full of crap. My grandfather was too young for WWI and too old for WWII, but his youngest brother Joe was (I think) a Marine in WWII. And my other Uncle Joe (on Dad’s side) was a SeaBee in WWII somewhere in the Pacific. But none of them ever talked about the war. Kinda like none of my contemporaries talking about 'Nam. I imagine they mostly wanted to forget about it.

And on that happy note, back to my sammich. :smiley:

My family knew Thomas Eagleton. I’ll post that when I’m home.

My lovely and talented husband is committing a major mistake. My surgery is Friday, and I’m going to be completely off my feet for at least the weekend. So he decides that it would be a wonderful idea to go to Pittsburgh to watch the Steelers play. :mad: To make things worse, the sprog has a Boy Scout thing that weekend, which means that Mom gets to call around to find him a ride. The best thing about having foot surgery is that I can put my foot up his ass and not have to worry about it because it’s already going to be operated on. :smiley:

Blurf.

Another odd branch of the clan; one of his more direct blood relations went on to become a famous general and aviator. Odd in our clan; most of us are well known for not being known. :slight_smile:

Like a lot of things in our extended family, right place at the right time. He was working near a field up in the coal patches that the early planes used – we’re talking before WW I. He got tagged into making things for their aircraft and got a reputation. He had already been playing with cameras (the way his nephew - my Dad - did radios) and saw an opening. Made a couple camera mounts, got a couple patents for some things, and made a helluva lot more than he could have mining and farming. Moved west and became the “guy who knows people” for most of the next generation. He did most of the mounts and things for “Hell’s Angels” which is how he got in with Hughes and Hughes Aviation and did some things he never talked about for the Army Air Corps. Nothing spooky but knowing him cutting edge for its time.

Somehow in all that he lost one of his eyes; no one was ever clear just how. He could still do stuff for aviation but he was basically grounded and just lost interest as the tech moved past him - say WW II era. He had a few acres along the river in San Antonio, had some pecan trees and figs, and moved all his natural brain-power over to that subject.

He and his wife had a hobby of entering contests; name this and that kind of things. He won so many passes to the HemisFair in 1968 that he invited everyone out to like 5th cousins to come down for as long as they wanted and stay at his place. Most of Dad’s generation “owed him” something so almost all of us did. I have some fantastic memories from all that to say the least. He entered some contest and won a guest/extra part in a movie that was being filmed down there called “The Getaway”. Being my blood-line, no big surprise he ended up talking about his early work and ended up becoming casual friends with one of the actors; some guy named McQueen. :wink: I may have mentioned this in passing before but if you watch that movie, where Steve is chasing through the train? The old couple with the guy wearing sunglasses are my Great-Aunt-and-Uncle.

Well, we’re not going to be home ourselves but ------------- we know enough people around us to make his visit to Pittsburgh more interesting if you want us to. In a Doctor-Evil-sharks-with-frikkin-lazer-beams-sort-of-way. :smiley:

Good story ruble!

Happy 5777 to all who celebrate!

With the new year, the office in my apartment complex will be closed and maintenance available only on an emergency basis until after the holidays. They actually sponsored a pay-your-rent-early contest, complete with prizes, as a work around.

My family has a lot of stories. One that I always got a kick out of was one my maternal grandfather used to tell.

When he was a young man, he left Indiana to seek fame and fortune and landed in east Tennessee. He got a job in the mine where he met my great-granda and great-uncle (Granny’s dad and brother). They were both carpenters in the mine and Pop would go out with them to cut timber pretty regularly.

They felled an oak tree once that landed on a raccoon and killed it. When they skinned the critter, they got $9 for the fur (in 1925 dollars!). They were hillbilly rich, as that was more than what the rest of the day’s work had netted all of them combined and it was sold for cash (that was back when payment in scrip was still common in the mines).

Today is pretty slow. I wrote process for a volunteer gig (outside of irk) and have done some admin.