Ladies, what makes a guy desirable?

I’m being somewhat facetious of course.

There is this book I just read recently, called The Game.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060554738/102-9037864-7961757?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance

Basically, a bunch of nerds who were helpless with women set about answering this question methodically and carefully using sound scientific method. You see, they couldn’t get girls and they wanted to figure out how. They developed surefire techniqes and methodolodies that worked over and over again. Some of this “technology” was incredibly sophisticated, involving things like Neuro linguistic programming, including the hilarious “condiment bonding.”

The bottom line though is that a woman will find you desirable for only a very few reasons. There are basically three reasons:

  1. A woman will find you desirable if she associates you with things are feelings that she also finds desirable. This is the NLP part of it.

  2. A woman will find you desirable if she feels she can increase her status by gaining your attentions.

  3. A woman cannot find you desirable unless she feels comfortable and unthreatened by you.

That’s it, but they have huge ramifications. For example, one of the offshoots of number 2 is that if a woman has your attentions there is not really anything particularly desirable.

One of their backbone techniques is to approach a group of people containing the target. Such a group is called a set. Let’s say the target woman in in a group of four.

You must be noticeable when you approach the set. These guys call it “peacock theory.” Wear or do something slightly outlandish that makes you noticeable and interesting.

The first thing you do is qualify your entrance timewise. Say you can only stay a minute, that way they don’t feel like they’ve been invaded.

Your goal for the next few minutes is to get everybody in the group to think you’re cool while pointedly ignoring your target. You do this by a “value demonstration,” which you’ve prerehearsed. It can be a tried and true conversational topic, a story, a magic trick, a test (like a Cosmo type test) or several other possibilities. There’s a lot of field tested ones that you can select from.

When everybody appreciates your value demonstration and you are bonding with the targets friends she will recognize that you have value, and she will feel slightly uncomfortable that she has not been included and that you are not bonding with her or recognizing her value. She may at this time try to gain your attention. Whether or not she does, you need to hit her with a “neg.” A neg is a left-handed compliment or mild insult.

“Those shoes look very comfortable.”

“Wow, you have big hands.”

“I love the way your nose is all scrunchy.”

“Is that your reall hair or a wig? Oh, well I think it looks great.”

If you have done this all properly than the girl will feel that you have value, and feel the need to demonstrate value to you since she feels she is at a deficit.

It’s a tightwalk for a while. If you accept her value propositions and attentions to easily than your value is lessened. Conversely if you do not recognize her value offerings she may consider you to be just an asshole.

Engage in conversation and bonding, use value demonstrations and negs, give her attention and take it away in such a fashion as to keep her on edge.

At some point, you will recognize when she has made a decision and decided that you are desirable. It’s a little surrender. At this point in time, you move for the “kiss close.”

“Do you want to kiss me?” you ask?

Very rarely, the girl will say yes, in which case, go for it.

Most often she will hesitate or give a noncommital answer. Say “well, let’s find out.” and kiss her.

Sometimes she will say “No.”

Say “I didn’t say you could. It looked like you had something on your mind.”
There’s more to it, and it takes practice. These guys have really hyperdefined attraction down to an equation and made a science out of it, and, apparently, it worked.

It’s an interesting read though. As these nerds become superswingers by having reduced seduction to a formula they kind of lose their souls.

One funny thing is that it works better on smart women than dumb ones.
disclaimer I just read the book. I never actually tried any of this crap.

Preach it, brother.

Men must reclaim words that have been lost to the matriarchic gynaecocracy: perception, intuition, perspicacity, nurturing, empathy. The list goes on.

Resist and contest the semantic derogation of men.

No, it only works if you like and respect yourself. I’m not saying to be rude or obnoxious. You just don’t act like you’re lucky just to have a girl talk to you. Don’t be afraid to let her know your interested.

I’m torn; I want to believe you are on our side in this but can’t help feel at the same time you are at least partly taking the piss somehow - my man’s intuition almost never lets me down.

Scylla, top stuff.

Putting on my serious hat for a moment, I really have to wonder at this. Msmith was doubtless being provocative, but there was something in what he said that resonated with me, despite the dark tone of his ‘consequences for violating your “rules”’, which I can only hear wearing a Texan drawl and a 10 gallon hat.

Starting with the less controversial point, playing games is part of life, I’d say. At work, at home - and not just the sexual games either. Can’t see much wrong with it myself. As for the point that might have steam rising from your ears, equality is not essential in a relationshp. I’m not even sure it’s desirable. It’s almost certainly unattainable this dside of heaven. Respect and affirmation of one another’s strengths and gifts, yes - very important. And needs to be constantly worked on.

As for equality, it’s like medicine, which is good becasue we are ill, or, as someone has described it, ‘merely the negative condition of the good life’. It is unlike those things, like wisdom or happiness, which are good simply in themselves and for their own sakes.

Legal and economic equality, on the other hand, are necessary, as protections against cruelty.

Scylla, that’s some sad shit you quoted. Some of it’s probably accurate, but most guys can tell by intuition what to do and when.

Think about it: A bunch of guys being losers to the extent that they have to set up a study and write a book in order to score a chick in a bar is really, really sad.

I do call bullshit on this part of their study:
“3. A woman cannot find you desirable unless she feels comfortable and unthreatened by you.”

If that’s true, why all the “Nice guys lose out” and “Bad boys get all the girls” threads?

The following part is just freakin’ bizarre!
“Do you want to kiss me?” you ask?

Oh well, since the authors are self-professed nerds and losers with women maybe that’s the best they could come up with, but damn! If you can’t tell when a woman wants you to kiss her you don’t need to be messin’ around with 'em. :wink:

Hey, roger thornhill I didn’t mean equal, as in exactly the same, I meant it in that one person doesn’t call all the shots, something like the way you meant it.

And yes, confidence is attractive, in that clingy, neurotic dependent isn’t. Over-confidence, showing off and jerkishness can pass for confidence to some people, but probably not the ones you want to have long-term, meaningful relationships with.

Part of this is cultural, of course, I find most north American guys to be very loud, and quite annoying until I know them better. I think it’s because I’m used to quiet Irishmen who eventually have the entire bar in stitches with hilarious stories. Men here compete as raconteurs, the entire point of this is to keep the whole audience eating out of the palm of your hand, and this is done with stories that show the teller in a poor light for comic value, that way you don’t alienate anyone and it becomes about laughing with the joker, not laughing AT other people.

That’s where I’m coming from, the kind of confidence it takes to tell a roomful of strangers about the most embarrassing moment of your life, and to make them laugh with you, not at you. That’s why traditional macho posturing doesn’t do it for me.
Games are great in relationships, but you need to be in a place where you’re both secure enough to play them.

I can greet my husband in heels, full makeup and sexy underwear one evening, and slobby old pjs, messy hair and fluffy slippers the next without him having a crisis of confidence about whether or not I really love him. We can have a blazing row complete with tears and slammed doors, knowing that it’s not going to be the end of our marriage. I can deliberately annoy him, or he me, just to get a rise, knowing that all will be forgiven.

Running hot and cold, saying things you don’t actually mean just to get the reaction you want, what used to be known as “toying with their emotions” isn’t the best way to START a relationship, but it can add to the fun later on.

The stuff **Scylla ** quoted would have worked on me when I was younger, and I’m considered an attractive woman.

Most of those theories, tips and tricks are also available here, on the Don-Juan Forum. I don’t think this stuff works once a gal has educated herself about this stuff, though. Which is probably why I educated myself about them. :slight_smile:

Self deprication gets you women in Ireland?

runs out to get a passport to the Promised Land

Just be yourself.

Honestly. That’s what it’s all going to come down to in the end, so be real.

“I’ve been myself for 8 years, that hasn’t helped!”

Simpsons quotes. They attract wimmenfolk like mosquitos.

buns3000 - you may not agree with my statement, but it’s not a non-sequitur. It follows perfectly with the flow of the conversation.

Secondly, shyness doesn’t not equate to no confidence. I think lots of women will admit to being drawn to the strong silent type.

However, if a person is slinking around in a corner refusing to make eye contact, that’s a totally different ball of wax, and IMHO suggests that the person doesn’t think very highly of themselves. Or they’re playing with their belly-button lint, which is not super attractive either.

buns3000 - you may not agree with my statement, but it’s not a non-sequitur. It follows perfectly with the flow of the conversation.

Secondly, shyness doesn’t equate to no confidence. I think lots of women will admit to being drawn to the strong silent type.

However, if a person is slinking around in a corner refusing to make eye contact, that’s a totally different ball of wax, and IMHO suggests that the person doesn’t think very highly of themselves. Or they’re playing with their belly-button lint, which is not super attractive either.

There’s a reason chicks dig cowboys. :wink:
You shouldn’t read any “dark tones” in my post. I’m not talking about smakin a ho or anything sinister. All I’m saying is if a girl treats you like shit, you don’t “reward” such behavior by pursuing her. Either she is interested and she will pursue you to get back into your good graces, or she’s not in which case you aren’t wasting your time any more.

Hey, hey Irish, I wanna say to you
Hey, hey Irish, eye to eye I am with you
I’ve waited so long to share what is true
Irish, I need wait no more coz you
Are with me, with me

Hey Rog – your bit

With apologies and acknowledgement to “Paul” and “Paula”