Lost 1.20: "Do No Harm"

[sleepygirl]

@MrsMonkey

An aha moment! I told hubby that that’s what I heard on the preview we saw last night!!! It does seem to be very clear what they were saying now, as opposed to in the original show.

i know that’s what i thought he said…but everyone disagreed with me. yey i was right…for once lol

[Odinoneeye]

Wasn’t Boone the one who talked about redshirts?

Now he is a redshirt.

Hmmm… foreshadowing…

[Wile_E]

@watsonwil

Did he come off as bitter or disinterested to anyone? He did say that the only reason his character got written in was because they liked the woman playing Sun so much.

I didn’t get the impression he was bitter or disinterested. I got the impression that he was grateful and felt lucky to get the part.

[BobT]

I don’t think anyone is going to be overly disappointed in getting a regular TV series gig that films in Hawai’i.

It’s a regular paycheck and nice weather. And with the show being picked up for another, there’s likely a raise involved.

[Larry_Mudd]

@Odinoneeye

Now [Boone] is a redshirt.

What, he’s retroactively a totally undeveloped and disposable character that appeared for the sole purpose of establishing a sense of mortal danger without impacting the regular cast of characters?

That’s a bit harsh, innit?

[Odinoneeye]

Nah, he’s just dead.

That’s the primary criteria for being a redshirt. Everything else is just circumstance.

[middleman]

@Wile E

I didn’t get the impression he was bitter or disinterested. I got the impression that he was grateful and felt lucky to get the part.

That’s a better way to read it.

[sleepygirl]

@WhyNot

Interesting. According to his IDMB listing, he “knew very little Korean before he did “Lost”. He has said that his co-star on that show Yoon-jin Kim, who is fluent in both English and Korean, has been invaluable in coaching him on his Korean, which has apparently improved.” I guess he faked it well enough at the audition for them to give him a shot!

(I have to admit, I’ve been crushin’ on him since Addicted To Love. Only got worse when he was on Angel.)

who did he play on addicted to love. i love that movie…but i can’t place him.

[middleman]

NBA fans will appreciate this Lost reference from ESPN’s Bill Simmons’s latest column:

Adonal Foyle
Plays about 20 minutes a game, gives you 4 points and 5 rebounds a night, blocks 1 or 2 shots … in other words, he’s having a typically harmless Adonal Foyle season, only he’s in year one of a $40 million contract. So here’s the question: Has Chris Mullin ever come out and explained this? If you were a Warriors fan, wouldn’t you want an answer? This was like the Korean guy on “Lost” becoming a free agent and ABC giving him $40 million to stay on the show through 2010.

[sleepygirl]

@Larry Mudd

What, he’s retroactively a totally undeveloped and disposable character that appeared for the sole purpose of establishing a sense of mortal danger without impacting the regular cast of characters?

That’s a bit harsh, innit?

he was also pretty to look at. mmm those eyes

[carnivorousplant]

@Odinoneeye

You did miss the Hurley episode,

I don’t watch this show except when I’m burning someone else’s VHS to a DVD and trying to edit out commercials.
So, do these various episodes contect in some sort of arc? Did the numbers have anything to do with anything else?

[Draelin]

@carnivorousplant

I don’t watch this show except when I’m burning someone else’s VHS to a DVD and trying to edit out commercials.
So, do these various episodes contect in some sort of arc? Did the numbers have anything to do with anything else?

Yes, all the episodes connect. If you miss one, you missed something you needed to know. (Think 24 or The X-Files.)

But we don’t know what the numbers mean, yet.

[Odinoneeye]

So far the complete list of numbers have been

1. Hurley’s winning ticket
2. On CFL’s map
3. On the side of the shelter Boone and Locke found (but the characters don’t know this)

8 and 15 have shown up

1. As the flight number
2. Kate’s safety deposit box
3. the aisles that carry footballs in Locke’s toy store.

Any more?

[PunditLisa]

Any more?

Didn’t someone way more astute than me write that one of the numbers was on Jack’s fiancee’s pajama shirt the night before his wedding?

[rockle]

@PunditLisa

Didn’t someone way more astute than me write that one of the numbers was on Jack’s fiancee’s pajama shirt the night before his wedding?

Not one of the actual numbers, but she was wearing the number “44,” which corresponds to the current number of remaining survivors.

[John_Mace]

@Odinoneeye

So far the complete list of numbers have been

1. Hurley’s winning ticket
2. On CFL’s map
3. On the side of the shelter Boone and Locke found (but the characters don’t know this)

8 and 15 have shown up

1. As the flight number
2. Kate’s safety deposit box
3. the aisles that carry footballs in Locke’s toy store.

Any more?

And the numbers were originally in CFL’s radio broadcast, picked up by Aussie guy* and used by him to determine the number of beans in the “guess the number of beans” contest.

*the guy in the loony bin that Hurley got the numbers from.

[sleepygirl]

@Odinoneeye

So far the complete list of numbers have been

1. Hurley’s winning ticket
2. On CFL’s map
3. On the side of the shelter Boone and Locke found (but the characters don’t know this)

8 and 15 have shown up

1. As the flight number
2. Kate’s safety deposit box
3. the aisles that carry footballs in Locke’s toy store.

Any more?

i think draelin pointed out that jack’s tattoo looked like it had numbers in it.

[Draelin]

@sleepygirl

i think draelin pointed out that jack’s tattoo looked like it had numbers in it.

One of his tattoos has a 5 on it, which I noticed for the first time this week. It could mean something–possibly to do with his “five seconds of fear” thing, or it could just be Matthew Fox’s tattoo that has something to do with Party of Five. But as far as I can tell, it’s got nothing to do with The Numbers.

[Fiver]

@John Mace

And the numbers were originally in CFL’s radio broadcast, picked up by Aussie guy* and used by him to determine the number of beans in the “guess the number of beans” contest.

*the guy in the loony bin that Hurley got the numbers from.

Not exactly. You’re conflating Aussie guy with Leonard. Leonard was Aussie guy’s buddy, and it was Leonard who was in the loony bin.

[Antonius_Block]

It might be worth noting that we have no reason to believe that Sam Toomey (Leonard’s colleague) is actually an “Aussie Guy” in the sense of Australian native or citizen. Leonard gives Hurley the clue that Sam is in Kalgoorlie, and Hurley eventually shows up at Sam’s house, now occupied solely by his widow (who has an abysmal Aussie accent – to my ears at least). She says that

They served together in the US Navy.

and

Sam and Leonard were stationed at a listening post monitoring long-wave transmissions out of the Pacific.

She then says:

A couple of days later, we’re at the fair in Kalgoorlie, and some wally there’s got this jar, must have been big as a pony, and it’s filled to the rim with beans.

My assumption from this is that Leonard and Sam are both Americans (US Navy), stationed at the large radio listening-post near Geraldton in Western Australia, which is part of the US-UK-Canada-Australia-NZ communication-interception network known as “ECHELON”. The Geraldton site intercepts radio signals out of the Pacific and Indian Ocean regions (including those bounced by satellite), and is only a few hundred miles from Kalgoorlie (which is virtually next door given the huge distances in western Australia), hence it’s perfectly reasonable for Sam and his wife to be at the fair in Kalgoorlie a couple of days after Sam heard the “Numbers”. There’s been a listening station at Geraldton since World War II at least, and it’s been expanded in recent years:

Australia’s main contribution to this system is an ultra-modern intelligence base at Kojarena, near Geraldton in Western Australia. The station was built in the early 1990s. At Kojarena, four satellite tracking dishes intercept Indian and Pacific Ocean communications satellites. The exact target of each dish is concealed by placing them inside golfball like "radomes’’.

About 80 per cent of the messages intercepted at Kojarena are sent automatically from its Dictionary computer to the CIA or the NSA, without ever being seen or read in Australia. Although it is under Australian command, the station - like its controversial counterpart at Pine Gap - employs American and British staff in key posts.

Since Sam heard the “Numbers” in 1988 (16 years pre-2004, the presumed year of Hurley’s visit to the Outback), he and Leonard may have worked at Kojarena’s antecedent, and Sam found himself a legal or common-law wife from among the locals.