Something I wonder about – that ‘everybody must go back’ to the island, apparently together, with heave implications that otherwise no one will be able to get back.
What about extra people? Is it them only, or is it sufficient that it be all of them PLUS whoever else is needed, like an airplane pilot or a boat crew?
More critically, what does it mean in regard to Sun’s baby?
Does she HAVE to take the kid because it ‘on the island’ before they left?
Can she NOT take the kid because it wasn’t born when they left?
Or, maybe worst of all, can she take it or not as she pleases, and thus have to make a really gut-wrenching choice? Do you basically give up your child OR do you subject it to a limited, and often dangerous, life on the island?
When Farraday asks if everybody is accounted for (or whatever he says), they only say Locke is missing. Nobody mentions Claire, the kids, or the folks who are the guests of the Others. What significance?
Well, as long as we’re thinking along these lines, I was thinking about Michael this morning and how the island wouldn’t let him die until he did what he needed to do.
What if you don’t want to go back to the island. Ben would sure have a hard time convincing me.
Ben: You need to go back! Otherwise something horrible will happen!
Trion: So? You say you always have a plan. Come up with a different plan. One that doesn’t include me.
Ben: You don’t understand. ALL of you need to go back!
Trion: Forget it. What if I had died in the last few years? What if I got hit by a bus or something? We couldn’t all go back then. Use that plan.
Ben: The island won’t let you die until you have fulfilled your destiny.
Trion: So, I can’t die until I do what the island wants? WOO-HOO! I’m effectively immortal as long as I stay here!
Probably you’d wind up like Michael or Jack (suicidal), Kate (on the lam. again.), Hurley (messed up and on the lam), Sayid (wife killed, working for Ben anyway), or Sun (living to kill Ben, which she probably can’t because he can’t die yet–maybe his destiny is fulfilled when he gets back and she can kill him then?), or even Locke (dead). Would that convince you? It wouldn’t as a thread, but three years later you might change your mind.
Well, as I said in my previous post, it was great to see all these characters again. But where’s the dog!?
Anyway, do any of you have any thoughts on why Sayid no longer trusts Ben at this point after apparently working with him for a couple of years?
And which characters do you find yourself most invested in? I loved watching Sawyer’s emotions as the episode went on. I really care much more about him than Jack, though both actors do a fine job. Hurley, Sayid, Desmond & Penny are the other characters I truly enjoy. Newbies Daniel and Miles have me intrigued too. I am one “Lost” fan who doesn’t care for Locke at all.
They showed Vincet for about five seconds before the flaming arrows showed up.
And those military guys with e Australian or British accents (yeah, I’m a dumb American and can’t always tell t he difference) are not Dharma. Completely different uniforms. These were military, whereas Dharma were more like jumpsuits.
And as for the numbers, they sort of explained them in some of the “extra” stuff they did. Viral web videos, etc…I’ll spoiler it in case they show up in the actual show itself:
There’s this formula called the Valentzi Equation that Dharma/The Hanso Foundation discovered. It basically takes into account things like pollution, war, disease, etc… to predict when mankind will destroy itself. The numbers are the variables that the scientists all solved for, and are trying to manipulate to stop mankind from destroying itself. They chose the island because it is almost “separate” from the rest of the world, so they can conduct experiments there without things getting influenced.
Great that the show has started. I am always around the SDMB more when Lost is on the air. I think the show is clearly acknowledging that only the diehards are still involved and they are taking it up a notch. My wife, an avid viewer from day one but not a scifi geek, was weary of the time travel. But I think she’ll hang in another 40+ episodes to see the end.
I marvel that anyone can even remotely keep up with immersing themselves in the mythology like we do here.
It depends on how the island comes down on the abortion debate.
When does the island believe life begins? A mystery greater than even the numbers!
Vincent was present in the episode. He was on the beach just before Frogurt got melted.
No doubt! When you try to explain it, this show sounds stupid.
Love the episode, but it was so dense that it is hard to jump in with a bullet point list like I often do.
I like to look back at Trion’s old questions thread and see how right or relevant our ideas were. We were on point on quite a few things, tilting at windmills on others, and many are still a complete mystery.
No. But I will grant that I wrote my senior AP English paper on Vonnegut (checks watch) almost 17 years ago, so I maybe have forgotten that phrase from the book. And anyway … “unstuck in time” pretty much sums it up. Beyond that, I have pretty much no idea what the eff happened in those two hours last night.
Daniel’s talk about the rules of time travel seems to support some ideas that were being thrown around last season. After the episode where Ben goes to meet Widmore, people speculated that they weren’t afraid of each other, because they both know they’ll still be alive in the future, or that they’re each other’s constants.
Also, there was the moment last season when Alex got shot, and Ben’s response was “he changed the rules”. If Ben thought that Alex couldn’t die at that point, it would explain his behaviour in that standoff.
They did reference Slaughterhouse Five last year, mid-season. Someone (Michael, I think, off-island) was watching a Jeopardy!-style game show, and you can hear in the background one of the answers being “Billy Pilgrim.”
Maybe they were the Crazy French Chick’s people. She said they all went nuts before she killed them.
I’d read that—I’m kinda pissed that the one viral site I wanted to see—the guy who wrote the Valantzi Equations book (who’s the one who was sucked into the turbine in the first episode) is gone! I think it had a fake Amazon page too.
But the big part I wanted to know was “Given all that stuff about The Numbers, I don’t get how that translates into “Hurley gets good luck and everyone around him gets bad luck””
Not only that, but Sawyer came up to Neil to ask him if the shirt he found was his, and he said “Yes, why?” Because Sawyer wanted it (or something). The shirt was red. Love it.
Also, it seems that Desmond is the only one that can “break the rules” of time travel. Must be because he was so close to the energy source when he turned the key underneath the Swan hatch. That’s when he started to get the premonitions about Charlie and was time swapping to his younger self.
So, Desmond’s the key to “fixing” whatever The Others are trying to do. Faraday knew that (being his constant), and used it to his advantage.
I’m also assuming Faraday (and the rest of the gang) jump back to when the Dharma Initiative were tunneling toward the “inexhaustible energy source” (Frozen Donkey Wheel). That’s why he was there at the beginning of the first ep. when Marvin Candle went ape shit about blasting or drilling any further. I wonder if Faraday tells them how to get there? Or if they have to manually pickaxe their way through.
This is interesting too. Maybe the reason she decided they were crazy was that they started talking about people just poofing out of nowhere in front of them. She thinks they’re crazy, but they’re really just seeing the Losties time jumping.
I guess we can speculate on what past events will end up being caused by our time travellers. Are the hostiles really the Losties? Are Adam & Eve characters we know who end up back in time?
Ben doesn’t mention Walt or Desmond (or Frank Lupidus). Ben may not know that Desmond is off the island, and Frank may not be important. It’s probable that Widmore has been to the island before too.
Walt is definitely special and Ben knows that.
If the Oceanic Six make it back to the island and skip through time, Ben may have seen them in his past and knows that they have to go back, or Ben has previously skipped to the future.
I guess this puts a wrinkle in Richard’s role, since he allowed Kate and Sayid to leave the island in exchange for helping with the mercenaries at the end of Season 4. He certainly seems to be supernatural, but apparently doesn’t have complete control of the island or prescient knowledge.
Richard and Abaddon (the guy who told Locke about the walkabout and assembled the science/mercenary team) are the most interesting mysteries to me.
Since Mrs. Hawking (presumably Faraday’s mother) is in L.A. with Ben at her island finding station I guess Desmond is going to have a hard time finding her when he gets to Oxford.
They mentioned Rousseau’s crew going crazy a few times last season while Desmond and Minkowski are unstuck. Minkowski finally dies from it, and I assumed that was what happened to Rousseau’s science boat. They didn’t know about constants and she put them out of their misery.
I have a feeling that the soldiers at the end of the episode will be the people who build/built the “Numbers” radio station…the one that the guy in the mental hospital hears and then tells Hurley about. I pegged them as Aussies…
I think it had a fake Amazon page too.