On the “Kate killed her Dad” idea, a few more thoughts.
The more I think about my friend’s idea, the more I like it. So many other characters on the show have father issues, why shouldn’t Kate?
Someone else pointed out that Kate’s “mother” had a different last name. Maybe Kate was raised in a foster home - like Locke. Maybe there’s another future episode connection.
As for the mother crying for help, if Kate shot her father and the mother doesn’t believe he was molesting her, then to her eyes Kate is a crazy kid who’s murdered one parent already for no reason. Not somebody you’d want to have visit you when you’re helpless in bed. And for all we know, if Kate killed her father, it might have been for no reason - maybe she really is crazy.
Maybe it’s just me, but the writers seemed to have dropped a possible development. Back when Ethan was shot, everybody was saying Charlie was going to regret killing him. Kate, Sawyer, and Sayid are all haunted by the people they killed. But Charlie still seems pretty chirpy. Maybe he’s really a psychopath. Or maybe the writers just forgot that he’s supposed to be haunted by remorse. Of course if they rememebr it later and try to have him suddenly collapse it’s going to ring false.
Yeah, I’m thinking this fits and somehow Kate killed her father either in self-defense or due to molesting or some other such situation.
Several episodes back, she was playing the little drinking game with Sawyer, and they both drank at the “I never killed anyone”, implying they both had. Well, at the time, we all assumed it was the owner of the toy airplane (“The man I loved! The man I killed!”) – which seems now to have been Tom from this week’s flashbacks. But unless she was just expressing her guilt over her actions resulting in his death, she actually didn’t kill Tom herself. The police shooting at her as she tore out of the parking garage – it would appear that his bullets killed Tom.
So perhaps the “I’ve killed somebody” implication was really somebody else (like her father).
If you assume that the plane was in the bank vault (and that’s the impression we were left with), then last night’s episode had to take place before the bank robbery, since we know the toy airplane was buried in the lunchbox when she was twelve or so.
As for her crimes, the episode intro showed her selecting a license plate from a collection in the trunk and deftly entering the motel room. I got the impression that she was an experienced fugitive, so it seemed like she was doing this for a while.
And didn’t she say earlier something about causing the death of someone she loved? I think we can assume that she is referring to Tom’s death, for which she is responsible. By her actions, she left Tom’s child fatherless and his wife a widow.
I don’t assume that the plane was in the safety deposit box. What Kate pulled out of there was too thin to be the plane. So it was either something else or the production team made a mistake.
I think that it’s a misdirection. That we’re supposed to think it was the plane, but it’s really something else that will come into play later.
I can see how she might feel it was her fault for involving him in her great big mess. Even if the abusive (step)father theory isn’t true–I really like the theory, though–she might feel in heart that she did kill him just by coming back and pulling him into her drama.
I was watching with my boyfriend and I said Jack’s line word for word before Jack did. Boyfriend was impressed.
I dislike Kate more and more. Prompted by when she kissed Tom knowing he was married now and had a child, and then when she drove at the Trooper knowing she would be fired upon. IMO she did kill Tom, her actions led to his death and she knew very well that they could. I don’t see how they can redeem her. Even if she was being abused by a wicked father/stepfather and killed him, that does not excuse her responsibility in Tom’s death.
A couple points; I don’t think Tom sent her the letter because she told him Diane was dying of cancer and he said he heard about it. If he was the one to inform her that conversation wouldn’t have taken place.
I think Tom and Kate were probably pre-teens on that tape. Young Tom did not sound like his voice had changed yet and I don’t think 16 year olds would talk so easily of getting married and having 9 kids.
Was Tom actually referred to as a doctor? I thought maybe he was just an MRI tech since his office was in the MRI.
I had briefly suspected Sun of spiking the water because she would have the knowledge but I didn’t think it out enough because it didn’t make any sense for her to want to stop Michael from going, so they actually surprised me on that development.
Track 2: Monster ate the pilot. Love it! I wonder if he’ll borrow Elton John’s music to Take Me To The Pilot. Re: Charlie and his remorse. It seems to me that Charlie is being a little manic with the writing and music, perhaps he’s just trying to block out what happened with Ethan and eventually something might bring that all to the surface.
Hurley; “How am I suppose to keep track of who knows what? Steve didn’t know about the polar bear.” Loved the look Locke gave Jack, “Aha! You had yet another secret.”
When I saw her leaning in for the kiss, I’m shouting “Married man, Kate!! Married man!!” at the television. Yeah, okay, he may have been the teenage love of her life, and there may even have still been regrets (Tom’s “It’s not fair” line), but … sigh I also dislike her more and more.
You’re right about that–I couldn’t remember what was said between them in their first meeting. Which leaves a letter with an unknown sender, one of those things that could be completely meaningless, or could be incredibly important.
I never said it wasn’t her fault. She clearly believes as much, too – because she referred to him in the previous episode (before we knew who “he” was) as “the man I loved” and then “the man I killed”.
However, being responsible (or at least partly responsible) for his death and doing the actual killing are different things. And what I was referring to was how they were playing the “I never” drinking game. And that perhaps in the game when they both drank on the statement “I never killed anyone” – that whole context seemed to imply “I directly killed somebody” (as in, “I pulled the trigger”).
I am just saying that while in the drinking game, we were led to believe that she was referring to “the man I loved / the man I killed” – perhaps it was really referring to a more direct killing. Somebody else. An intentional killing (perhaps not pre-meditated – perhaps self-defense).
Whatever it is she’s wanted for, I’m sure the authorities would tack responsibility for Tom’s death onto that. As far as the law is concerned Tom’s death is directly her fault. So even if the previous crime were something like a self-defense killing and she could prove it and get cleared of that crime, she would still be legally responsible for Tom’s death.
By the way, someone earlier mentioned Kate killing her accomplices, she did not kill them she incapacitated them. I’m all for the Kate Hate, but let’s get our facts straight.
The Canadian preview included Danielle saying They took my baby I think. Any Lost Canucks out there, did I hear that right? I don’t think that was on the US teaser…
Why was there a guard posted outside Kate’s mother’s door at the hospital? Were they just expecting her to show up? If they were so serious about watching over her why wouldn’t they escort her to Radiology? Or was the guard watching mom for another reason?
I forget how Hurley knows that Kate is a fugitive. Jack knew because the Marshall told him, Sawyer worked it out on his own, Locke found out from Hurley (d’oh!), and nobody else knew, right?
This flashback definitely took place before the bank robbery. She and Tom dug up the toy plane, she left it in the car, and someone put it in the safe-deposit box - probably Tom’s wife or next-of-kin.
I’m guessing Kate wanted it to remind her of Tom and staged the bank robbery to get it. As others have said, I think Tom is the man she loved whom she killed. Remember, in another episode she said she killed the man she loved. Tom has to be that man.
She was already a fugitive when she went to the motel and then the hospital. She had all the fake licence plates in her car, and didn’t want the cop to see her in the hospital corridor. Was the cop guarding her mother’s room?
She may have had a fake ID, too, to pick up the letter. I think the letter had cash in it. When she was reading it, there was a wad of $20s in her lap, like she had pulled them out with the letter. Do you need ID to pick up letters left at motel desks?
We still don’t know who sent the letter or exactly what it said, or what she’d done in the first place to be on the run, or why her mother freaked out when she saw her.
