So I watched the episode again, and it’s unclear which trigram Jin’s friend is reading. It could either be hexagram 12, or hexagram 42 :eek: . I already looked up #12, and it doesn’t say much. However, I think we can all agree that the writers wanted us to read #42. So, without further ado, an interpretation of hexagram 42. First, a full page interpretation, into which one can read all sorts of nonsense. Then, for you lazy kids, a short summary:
The Judgement
*Increase. It furthers one
To undertake something. It furthers one to cross the great water. *
The Image Wind and thunder: the image of Increase.
Thus the superior man:
If he sees good, he imitates it;
If he has faults, he rids himself of them.
It’s a pretty sound message for Jin, but like most fortune-telling, it’s broad and anyone can say “that’s ME!” Some of the more detailed descriptions ring true when you consider that Jin is, at his heart, a fisherman and not a gangster.
As for “Wind and thunder,” well, I’ve also heard that later on,
KIRK picks up the wrist communicator and speaks into it.
KIRK: Khan, you bloodsucker! You’re going to have to do your own dirty work now… do you hear me? Do you?
KHAN is shocked.
KHAN: Kirk… my old friend, you’re still alive…
KIRK: Still, old friend. You’ve managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!
KHAN: Perhaps… I no longer need to try.
KHAN motions to one of his minions, who presses a few buttons. The Genesis Device dematerializes, transported back to the Reliant. DAVID lunges for it and is held back by Saavik.
DAVID: No! He can’t take it!
KIRK: Khan… you’ve got Genesis, but you don’t have me. You were going to kill me, Khan! You’re going to have to come down here, you’re going to have to come down here!
KHAN: I’ve done far worse than kill you. I’ve hurt you… and I wish to go on, hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me. Marooned for all eternity in the centre of a dea dplanet. Buried alive… buried alive…
I like how he also intersperses it every once in a while with a short one. Like he’s trying to get Walt’s attention away from his comic book or video game.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLT!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAALALLLLLLLLLLLLLT!
Eko had first asked Jin if he was married, then asked the detail of her name…Jin was asking, “You?”, meaning are YOU married (IMO)…and then Eko said worse…whatever that means…maybe just married men humor.
Yes, it was a boar. But speaking of Polar Bears, has anyone done a freeze frame on any of the polar bear clips to see if a Dharna logo is visible (as it was on the shark)?
As for hexagram 12, it could work too, depending on what translation you use. In the oldest versions of the I Ching, this hexagram is not called anything like “obstruction,” but rather “the wife.” (No smartarsed remarks, please.) Anyway, oldest or not, hardly anyone uses this version.
The Legge translation (the standard english translation for a long time) for #12 says “Many a smallness sets in through lack of deep understanding. For removing some conditions of distress, fishing in good time may help.”
In the flashback portion of …and Found, the main thing going on was Jin’s desire to be something “better” than a fisherman, which led to undeserved humbling from people who weren’t any better than him. As soon as he stopped trying to be something else, things got better. Of course, in the “island time” portion of the story, this was more literally true. He did his fishing “in good time,” and made out much better than Rambina and co, who were just casting their nets in willy-nilly.
That’s because it was mentioned in last week’s thread, when the symbol was first seen (in episode 2.4 – “Everybody Hates Hugo”).
And yes, it did look different inside – I presume because our hatch is “the Swan”, and had the little swan logo inside. This other bunker/station probably has its own codename/nickname.
All the talk about Michael aimlessly wandering around screaming WAAAAALLLTTTT! reminds me of the game Marathon where there were these NPC guys called “Bob” who ran around screaming “They’re everywhere!” and got in your way all the time. So if they make a Lost video game Michael can be the “Bob” running around screaming WAAAAALLLLTTT!
Even better if you can shoot him.
(Dopers have independently confirmed that this appeared on the broadcast of the show.)
It’s not quite the Dharma Initiative logo, though. It’s an octagon, alright – or three nested octagons. That’s quite strikingly similar, but if you compare it to the Dharma Initiative logo, you’ll see that the logo has distinct breaks at each vertex – and of course some of the lines themselves are broken, in order to form the I Ching hexagrams.
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