Lost 3.15: "Left Behind"

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[QUOTE=wasson]
That’s a piss poor long con. She could have turned Kate in immediately for the same exact reward. Why bother befriending her first? She already knew everything she needed to know to collect the reward money, and yet she helped Kate talk to her mom, posed as Kate to assess the danger… Why all the effort for a long con?

Nope, doesn’t make sense.
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Eh, you could be right. I’m not really trying to debate that idea logically, it’s just kind of the way I feel the writers might want to take this. It’s not like the whole story hangs together logically anyway.

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I’m suprised that Kate didn’t search Juliet’s clothes for the handcuff key for the get go. Why wouldn’t she assume she was Juliet’s prisoner given that Juliet is an Other?

When Kate were running from the TCM, they were inside the fenced area (where the Others camp was located), no? Later it chased them out. So how did they end up back at the OtherCamp? Wouldn’t they have had to go back INTO the fenced area again?

I have a hard time believing that the paparazzi aka black smoke can eviscorate a human being. (Yeah, I know.)

Sawyer’s going to have to come up with some sort of scheme to win back Sun’s affection.

Not one, but several federal agents staking out Kate’s mother’s house 24/7? Totally unrealistic. (This was before the bank robbery, right?)

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[QUOTE=Long Time Lurker]

[QUOTE=Monstre]

Did you guys hear something?

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[QUOTE=Wile E]

Grrr!

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I did. It sounded vaguely like Vincent. I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but I think that dog knows something.
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This made me laugh out loud and caused my coworkers to raise an eyebrow.

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Hey, did anyone notice that the TCM sounded rather different this time? There were some of the same noises, but others that I hadn’t heard before. I seem to remember it sounding just the same every other time we encountered it.

And as I’m fond of saying… rain is never a good think on The Island. Bad things happen when it rains.

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vivalostwages:

Yeah, but he knows he’ll never beat “Turnip-Head”.

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[QUOTE=PunditLisa]
I’m suprised that Kate didn’t search Juliet’s clothes for the handcuff key for the get go. Why wouldn’t she assume she was Juliet’s prisoner given that Juliet is an Other?
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Juliet might have objected to that. Or if you meant, while Juliet was ‘unconscious’
(which I don’t think she really was) – we saw how Juliet reacted when Kate just tried to take the knife, which was sticking out from her pocket. I don’t think Kate could have managed an airport-security style grop.. erm… pat-down without Juliet noticing.

No – they were outside the perimeter in the jungle when they were running from the TCM. They saw the perimeter fence, Juliet knew it was off, urged Kate to the other side (inside) and activated it. The TCM chased them in, not out.

Yes, has to be before the bank robbery. Because the robbery was after Tom died (which was when she went back to see her dying mother) – and that was after the events of this flashback.

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[QUOTE=John Mace]
And as I’m fond of saying… rain is never a good think on The Island. Bad things happen when it rains.
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Except for Locke. He seems to like it when it rains. Even from the first time (pilot episode), when he was sitting on the beach soaking it up ecstatically, while everybody else was running for shelter.

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[QUOTE=Monstre]
I think it did one more significant thing. It gave Kate a different perspective on her mother’s point of view. Not just with her mother’s words, but with the befriending of Cassidy.

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That, too, was a factor. :wink:

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[QUOTE=Long Time Lurker]
I did. It sounded vaguely like Vincent. I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but I think that dog knows something.
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:eek:
:frowning:
Oh, you guys!
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[QUOTE=Monstre]
I don’t think Kate could have managed an airport-security style grop.. erm… pat-down without Juliet noticing.
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No, but tryin’s half the fun for the viewers. First she shimmies up the tree, now she does the wet and messy catfight thing. I’ve got no problem with further such artifices. I say pat away! :smiley:

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[QUOTE=Monstre]
So if Kate and Locke and Sawyer and Danielle can climb over the sonic fence, why can’t the TCM? It sure seemed able to go pretty high when it was slinging Mr. Eko around in the treetops.

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They had to essentially climb over the pole to get between the gaps of the .. transmitters? Maybe there’s only a few feet of dead zone above the poles, and the TCM didn’t want to risk trying to squeeze through it.

[QUOTE=randwill]
I don’t think Juliet is a spy. They already know the Losties’ life histories and blood types. And they are all stranded on a beach catching fish, breaking open coconuts and living in tents, so it’s not like they are building secret weapons to attack them with. What useful information could Juliet surreptitiously acquire?
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Perhaps they need an active manipulator - someone to lie to them about the Others and steer them away from doing certain things, or something along those lines.

[QUOTE=running piglet cheese]
Don’t get Juliet at all. How can you tell she’s lying? Her lips are moving. She knew that Jack and Sayid were still at the camp. How did she know that if she supposedly didn’t even know the Others had left?

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This is true in that she’s probably lying, but she may not be lying entirely. They may have indeed, abandoned her - she just woke up first and attached herself to Kate in a desperate attempt not to be left completely alone. In that case, the lying would be that she just happened to wake up handcuffed to Kate, but this isn’t necesarily evidence that Juliet is a plant.

I know, that part was so absurd that I almost laughed at it when it happened.

“Okay, so 6-10 FBI guys are constantly staking out this place for MONTHS AT A TIME in the hopes of catching an ordinary murderer? Right.” - think about how many man-hours would be wasted for little reason.

It might’ve been vaguely believable if one or two people were there, but several teams in cars, ready to pounce, was totally over the top.

[QUOTE=vivalostwages]
No more nicknames? Come on, let Sawyer have his fun. He’s got to come up with something better than “little baby” for Aaron.

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Before he called Hurley “Rotund” he looked at his watch and said something like “since I can’t make any nicknames for 3 days, 8 hours, 32 minutes…”

Juliet should be going back with the Losties… as their prisoner, to be interrogated. To carry her back as an equal, or something, is foolish. As usual, Sayid was the only one acting rationally - although he wanted to leave her behind entirely, which would be a bad idea because of what she knows.

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Has it been determined how the Others know so much about the pasts of the Losties?
It was a little unnerving to hear Juliet rattle off all the things she knew about Jack.
Also Locke’s snooty judgmental diatribe to Kate concerning how he now knew what she had done and why she was therefore unacceptable to the Others. Really bizarre.

What are all these sidelong glances and smiles between Sawyer and Sun? I don’t get that at all.

Any ideas on what the light flashes were from TCM when he was looking in at Juliet and Kate? Digital pictures to post on his website?

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[QUOTE=running piglet cheese]
What are all these sidelong glances and smiles between Sawyer and Sun? I don’t get that at all.
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I don’t think she was smiling at him. When Sawyer was trying to be “nice” to everybody, and he smiled her way, she noticed and her face got kind of stony and cold. She’s still not happy after learning in the last episode (from Charlie) that Sawyer and Charlie made that little plan where Charlie attacked her and dragged her off a little and made it look like the Others did it. Back when Sawyer was plotting to get all the guns.

www.TCMupskirt.com?

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BTW, nobody definitively said they weren’t moving to Suburbia, I don’t think. All they said were things about having to get back to the others, to the beach, whatever.

Which makes sense – it’s not like they have cell phones and sent the other Losties a text message about ‘found a great new home, come running.’ No matter what, they have to go to the beach, tell the others what happened, and only then can they decide if they’d rather move bases.

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[QUOTE=running piglet cheese]
Has it been determined how the Others know so much about the pasts of the Losties?

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I don’t believe it has been determined.

I think it has to do with Desmond-like “time travel”.

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[QUOTE=Fiver]
The 815ers won’t move to the village because it might be booby-trapped by the Others, the way Mikhail’s house was.
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Booby-trapped by Dharma. But we don’t know why he didn’t discover said self-destruct mechanism.

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[QUOTE=Algernon]
I don’t believe it has been determined.

I think it has to do with Desmond-like “time travel”.
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Before the purple sky, they had instantaneous contact with the world and could have compiled data on all the Losties from the intarweb.

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[QUOTE=vivalostwages]
Juliet said, if I recall correctly, “We don’t know what it [TCM] is, but we know it doesn’t like our fences.”
??? They didn’t create this thing? Someone needs to explain, since we’ve seen the thing since the get-go and this season is almost over.
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I’m thinking that the TCM is either native to the island, or a Dharma creation. Not Other.

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[QUOTE=UncleRojelio]
So, why would Locke bug out with these folks who knew less about the island’s mysticism than he did?
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For the same reason that neurologists have been hanging around with Buddhist monks.

Locke has a better intuitive sense of what the island “personality” wants than Ben, and he may have had more direct ‘contact’ by communing with the smoke monster and vision-Boone. But the Others, especially Ben, know much more about the empirical history of the island, DHARMA, their own group, and some other island secrets. Locke has a better ‘feel’ for things but the Others have better ‘data’.

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[QUOTE=Cuckoorex]
I think Jack’s in on whatever mischief Juliet’s up to; he didn’t have a particularly good reason why they should bring her along when Sayid objected. She needs something from the beach group and she needs to gain their trust to get it, and how better to do that then to get Jack’s endorsement?
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The line from Alex about Ben “making people do things and having them think it was their idea” comes to mind. It’s likely Juliet has been conning him this whole time, or Ben has been conning the both of them, creating and exploiting their relationship for his own gain (why else would he bring Juliet halfway across the island to ogle some guy for 30 seconds?).