Oh come on…you just can’t imagine how cool it would be to have a show where all the characters are completely honest at all times. It would ROCK!
-Joe
I doubt that anyone noticed, but in case anyone was confused (I know I am):
For some strange reason my posts in this thread last night now display my old username (E d’Mann) and list me as a ‘guest’. Talk about cognitive dissonance…whoah! In case this post also reverts, my username is Rich Mann.
Getting back to the episode…
Sawyer still gets the best lines; upon hearing that Jack found out about him and Kate having sex because the Others were watching them on cameras: “Perverts”
I enjoyed Hurley convincing Jin to go camping - “Watch the master”
I loved that, yes, Penny has been searching for Desmond.
Jack is stupid, stupid, stupid. Boy do I want to see him rend his garments and beg forgiveness and beat himself up once he discovers what a lying you know what Juliet is.
Question: What do you all think happened to Alex’s boyfriend? Does Ben keep him away from his “daughter” so she won’t get pregnant & die?
con [kon]
- involving abuse of confidence: a con trick. –verb (used with object)
- to swindle; trick: That crook conned me out of all my savings.
- to persuade by deception, cajolery, etc. –noun
- a confidence game or swindle.
- a lie, exaggeration, or glib self-serving talk: He had a dozen different cons for getting out of paying traffic tickets.
[Origin: 1895–1900, Americanism; by shortening of confidence]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
Oy!
Lost
- a show often involving some or all of the above.
To paraphrase a fellow poster: I hereby predict randwill’s complaint will be about… wait for it… conning!
Shouldn’t Desmond and the others, as Brits, have used the term “sacked” for how he stopped being a monk, instead of “fired”?
Also, it’s just occurred to me that Desmond’s “flashes” have become oddly specific. When he first came to the beach from the imploded hatch, he had a flash of a speech Locke was about to make. That didn’t have anything to do with danger to Charlie.
Now, it seems he only gets flashes about danger to Charlie.
What’s the max range of a helicopter? How likely is it Naomi’s ride was launched from a ship? And also, that Naomi was not the pilot?
jumping in again - was Locke being hypocritical in his Big Speech about going off to find their friends? Has he really joined with the others, or does he think he has some scheme up his sleeve to save everybody? From where I’m sitting, I’m disliking Locke almost as much as I dislike Juliet.
Well, assuming “unexpected trouble aboard a helicopter” what are the odds of actually successfully parachuting to safety?
Anyways, I think you’re misreading Desmond’s flashbacks. When he was talking about Locke and all that, it was before he realized what was going on inside his head, so he was letting things slip.
Now that he understands what’s going on, we don’t know how much he’s seeing, since he’s not talking about it. We really know know what’s up when he’s acting on something, and he’s only acting on things that are important to him - like finding “Penny” or saving Charlie.
-Joe
Ooooh, good call. You’re probably right.
That’s what I was thinking, too. Penny’s pretty darn rich – she has plenty of resources. She probably started putting an expedition together when her listening post guys caught that anomaly blip that interrupted their chess game. That must have given her a position (even a general one) to aim for.
Yep, he’s probably flashing on all kinds of things when the episodes are focusing on other people. Like what somebody’s about to have for dinner. Then he says, “Ah… it’s fish. Never would ha’ guessed that, brothah…”
More like - a show always involving some or all of the above.
Because, I guess, it’s easier to write puerile melodrama than a clever sci-fi/fantasy mystery. As some writers I know have found out.
Yep you are stretching it. Like when you called Nikki and Paulo conmen. By your definition most TV shows are about conmen. I don’t know why you dislike the fact that this show has people that are not completely truthful all the time.
I don’t think either. I think he was being genuine when he made his “we’ll go find them” speech – after all, he did go with the expedition. However, his priorities started changing on the way, as he learned more information. And especially once he got to Otherville.
I think since the moment that he saw Anthony Cooper behind door #3 (assuming it was really him), Locke’s priority has changed to dealing with his daddy issues. What’s he doing about it? I have no idea. But in most of his flashbacks, ever since the kidney, he’s been obsessed over the question of how his father could treat him that way. I think Locke’s hanging with the Others right now because they have Cooper. And maybe Locke wants some sort of closure or something.
I think we’ll probably find out what he’s been up to in a few more episodes from now. Probably not next week, because the previews made it look like it’s going to focus more on Sun’s baby (“who’s yo’ daddy”?) But I would guess before the season is out.
I also think that we will eventually have confirmed one of the guesses some folks made long ago (ever since we started seeing lots of prior connections between the main characters) – maybe even this season. I think that it will indeed turn out that Con-man Anthony Cooper is also the Con-man-once-known-as-Sawyer. The original Sawyer, whose actions destroyed James Ford’s parents.
Especially when I seem to be so fond of a thread where some people are so intellectually dishonest.
You can keep flapping if you wish, I’m all out of food.
Not expecting any soon so maybe I’ll check back with you in season 4.
That’s plausible, especially since some of the larger yachts have onboard helicopters. But we’ve been told that you can’t navigate to the island, especially after the sonar signal was destroyed by the electromagnetic anomaly, so how did the helicopter find the island?
And you’d think they would have been more excited about finding a satellite phone, even one with a dead battery. (Perhaps Sayid can figure out how to recharge it.) But I’ll bet that it won’t be able to get a signal even if they can power it.
I don’t think we are seeing the last of that phone. Most helicopters that I am familiar with have a range of a couple hundred miles at most.
Sayid: John, why do you have this C4 in your backpack?
Locke: Oh, I’m just planning to blow up the submarine. You know, the one that Mikhail told us about? See, I used to be in this wheelchair because my back was broken into about a jillion pieces, but this island healed me, so I really don’t ever want to leave. And if that means taking away your potential means of escape, that’s a chance I’m willing to take.
Sayid: Okay, John – I respect your opinion. But are you fucking nuts?
Locke: I may be, Sayid. I may just be.
Sayid: Fair enough.
Locke: I also meant to blow up Mikhail’s house. Just thought you should know.
LATER
Kate: Jack, we’re here to rescue you. I came back to help you!
Jack: Well, I’m still pissed after seeing you having Polar Bear Cage sex with Sawyer on the cameras – I mean, I feel kind of betrayed. I thought you were in to me. I mean, I’ve always been in to you, even if I’ve seldom showed any outward indications of it so that you would realize it.
Kate: Well, to be honest, I’m conflicted. I mean Sawyer’s this bad boy type, and that really turns me on. But you’re much more stable, so I think in the long run I really want you. But it’s just hard for me to help myself when I’m around Sawyer – he’s such an ass, and that turns me on even more. Do you want to talk about your feelings for a while?
Jack: That would probably be a good idea. After all, I’m starting to get a little intrigued by Juliet. And after all, she seems completely trustworthy, as does Ben. And she makes me these cute little sandwiches, Kate… with these little toothpicks. I miss having somebody cook meals for me. It’s nice.
Kate: Well… maybe I could slice up a papaya for you every once in a while, but I’m on the run a lot, so I don’t cook much. Did I tell you that I blew up my father? He thought that I thought that he was my stepfather, but I really found out he was my father. Anyways, it’s just so hard being on the run. You know, I want to have a normal life, but I just never felt able to settle down, with that marshall after me. Would it be okay if I kissed you right now?
LATER
Ben: So, are you and Juliet ready to go? You’re scheduled to get on the sub shortly.
Jack: Yep, thank you for keeping your word.
Ben: Well, I kind of had to – we made a deal. But just FYI, Locke here is planning on blowing up the sub. And I’m actually happy with it, because it provides me a loophole. I mean, I have to let you leave the island on the sub, but I really don’t want you to leave.
Jack: Well, that is kind of a bummer, but thanks for being so honest with me. Just curious – why don’t you want me to leave?
Ben: Jack, there are big mysterious things happening on this island, and they are…
BEN TELLS JACK EVERYTHING, SO NOW WE KNOW THE REASON FOR EVERYTHING HAPPENING ON THE ISLAND
Ben, continuing: … and that’s what it’s all about. Also, we could use a good surgeon, and you guys killed Ethan, you know.
Jack: Yeah, sorry about that.
CLOSE-UP ON JACK
Whhhhooooooooooosh (Flashing back to just after the plane crash)
Jack: Did we find everybody who was hurt? Does anybody else need any help?
Boone: I think we found everybody. And I have extra pens, just in case.
Jack: Why don’t we all go around and say our names and where we are from? So we can get to know each other.
Shannon: I’m Shannon, and I’m a stuck-up shallow socialite.
Boone: I’m Boone, and Shannon’s my step-sister. I just banged her the other day. It was pretty good.
Ethan: I’m Ethan. I’m actually infiltrating your camp. I wasn’t on the plane. Don’t mind me, I’ll be over there taking blood samples from that pregnant chick.
Vincent: Woof.
Compelling stuff, no?
This weeks post-episode column in EW.
Cool. I found it interesting that he said this:
While watching last night, I was thinking the same – how that monk really reminded me a lot of Liam Neeson, especially Neeson in Batman Begins.
Awwww Man! You gave it away!!