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So what is Jack’s track record now for calling people’s bluffs?
“Dad, I know your sleeping with my wife.” bzzzz…wrong
“Punching in the numbers doesn’t prevent anything Locke!” bzzzz…wrong
“There’s only a couple of you guys, and we have you outnumbered!” bzzz…wrong
“You have no contact with the outside world!” bzzzz…wrong
did I miss any?
I agree that having a tape of the Red Sox winning the Series does not mean the Others have 2-way contact with the outside world. We already know that they get air-dropped supplies, how hard is it to throw in a videotape of the past month’s news highlights?
I really liked Sawyer in this episode, his constant fucking with the Others was great, very true to character I thought. Sayid’s ambush was stupid. Why gather sticks for a puny fire when you have an ENORMOUS wooden dock right behind you? Send Jin and Sun out on the sailboat, and then set fire to the dock at dark, you dumbass. Obviously they are going to come and try to save their dock, pick them off with your rifle then.
I thought that part was great too. He’s still trying to figure out how everything works in his cage. Only in a larger sense.
I’m comfortable assuming there are more monitoring stations than just the Pearl, although, technically, Ben could have been in the Pearl. It’s not like they trashed the place, or left somebody there.
These people have some serious trust issues.
I’m okay with the 2-way communication; they have the flight manifest with Sawyer’s real name, for example. They also claim to have Jack’s father’s autopsy report. I agree that they might have dropped news highlights onto a food drop, but an autopsy report? How hard up would the people at DharmaDropCo have to think they are for reading material on that island?
Well he was Iraqi Republican Guard, not US Army Delta Force.
And yet he still beat Sawyer at poker.
I don’t think so. The Other’s we’ve seen take children all the time - Rousseau’s daughter and claires baby for example. They have disguises to make them seem like weird homeless people or whatever.
My first assumption was that a sailboat is their only way off the island and Benry wants off the island.
They have a motorboat (or two?) but you can’t get very far in those unless you’ve got a lot of gas stockpiled. They just don’t know how far away from other land they are - could be a couple miles away could be days away. You can’t take the chance of going out one way in your motorboat, even to scout, not knowing how far you have to go.
With a sailboat, though, you could travel around the world (like Desmond, who brought the boat!) and all you technically need is windpower.
Why they didn’t know about Desmond’s boat…that is just another example of writer dumbness. What did Desmond tell them about how he got there? Dropped from the sky?
Anyway…when I saw Benry’s tape of the World Series I sort of forgot about why they’d want a boat and assumed they were free to leave the island. But people here have made some good points about how they could have gotten the news and the info, and a tape of the World Series.
So yeah, now I think Benry wants off the island. And he needs a sailboat to get there.
I think the theory in season 1 re: Ethan’s strength was that he had been eating better than the rest of the lostaways, who were living on fruit and sand, so he was better able to kick Jack’s ass. Also, there was wild speculation that the big fight in the rain with Jack didn’t really happen, because in the last part of it, he belly-flopped into a big puddle, but in the very next scene, when he was talking to Kate, his shirt was clean, so people speculated that Jack was hallucinating. Again.
I’m starting to wonder, however, if the writers are backsliding some on the ninja abilities of the Others. In the last episode of season 2, Kate spotted two or three of them just moseying along in plain sight. Sawyer held off a couple of them long enough to get a gun away from one of them. I think their real power is that they know the island and just have lots more experience wandering around in jungle with the occasional wild boar or polar bear in it; that would tend to make you walk a little more softly than most people, and moving slowly and quietly goes a long way towards giving city folks the impression that you have seecrit ninja powers.
Desmond never met the Others. He was found by Kelvin (?) and dragged back to the Hatch. Kelvin was repairing the boat (and keeping its existance secret) in order to escape from the Island, so he never told anyone about it. After the Losties entered the Hatch, Desmond ran off, finished whatever repairs were needed and left. No evidence that the Others were ever aware of the boat.
The Others probably knew Desmond showed up in the Hatch but may have never realized that the boat he was on had managed to survive and arrive on the Island too. Desmond certainly thought it had been destroyed.
Well, Ethan certainly fell into a trap. And Goodwin, too. Not to mention the guy that Kate/Sawyer killed in the final ep of season 2.
Who were the rest of the people working in the field? Were they the adults that The Others captured from the tail section?
I’m finding it hard to believe that The Others weren’t smart enough to know about the sailboat. It was there for 3 or 4 years.
If Collen lives, I think we will eventually see CATFIGHT! between her and Juliet. They seemed like they were in competition over something… Benry? Maybe it’ll be Jack.
So why the ballerina? Is it to prove that Sun was a little liar in her youth?
While I think The Others should have known about the sailboat, we can be pretty sure that Desmond has never had contact with them. One would think that they’d have access to the monitoring cameras in The Swan, but maybe not.
Or else he just wants to keep everyone else there. Although, I tend to be wrong about these things, so who knows.
Any ideas as to what Juliete and company are building with the Kate and Sawyer’s rock breaking help?
I think Henry/Ben wants the boat for some recreation and impress the Chicks! “Hey baby wanna take a ride in Yacht?”
It’s to establish the caste system in Korea, with Sun as one of the Haves and Jin as one of the Have-Nots, whose careers, if not their lives, aren’t worth a chunk of glass.
I can’t see it working if they don’t have regular contact with somewhere other than the island. Judging from the fake suburban neighborhood, and all the other facilities we’ve seen so far, a crapload of stuff has been brought to the island from the outside world, and they’ll need regular resupply.
I’m also getting fed up with Our Heroes having their asses handed to them over and over. I hope it’s just a long setup for the turning of the tide. In the show’s timeline, it’s only been 69 days since the crash, and the castaways are still floundering.
I hope that we’ll find Sawyer is assuming he and Kate are being monitored. They’re both supposed to be smart, savvy, tough survivors with experience in running cons.
Benjamin said, “We’re the good guys”, and obviously they think of themselves that way. All the Others we’ve seen have an air of smugness, of a lack of self-doubt, that really makes me want to see them get beaten. Even if it turns out they’re working on something to literally save the world, it’s hard to imagine that there’ll be a real justification for being such assholes.
And you’re right! Cuse and Linelhoff have confirmed that there is more than one group of “Others” on the island on their official podcast.
Ben’s experience in The Swan tends to support the idea that they don’t have cameras there. I don’t think they would have left him there alone to get beat up and tortured if they knew what was going on.
Also the several that Eko killed during the abduction attempt. And don’t forget about the capture of the highest ranking Other we’ve seen so far, Ben! (No, I don’t believe he got captured on purpose. What good did his time in captivity do for his people? Plus, he tried to run when he was first cut down, risking death by Danielle’s spear-gun.)
I agree with MaxTheVool, though. Those few times the Lostaways have “won” feel like flukes. It’s getting incredibly frustrating to watch episode after episode in which tension builds as a confrontation with the Others approaches, sometimes even with the Lostaways appearing to initially have the upper hand (like with Jack and Sayid knowing Michael was leading them into a trap)–and then getting their asses handed to them, time after time. The’ve had almost all their guns confiscated by now, 3 of them have been captured, and now their boat is gone. How much worse can it get? In last night’s episode, when Sawyer got the gun, I wanted to see him just take a chance, shoot Juliet, and start spraying the rest of the crowd with bullets, just so we could see the tables turned for once.
I know there have been hints that the Others might really be “good guys”, but it’s very hard to see how the writers could to bring us around to that point of view given the way they’ve treated the Lostaways. Manipulating people for some unknown greater good, maybe, but killing them?
Do you have a link for that? I heard they confirmed that there is not more than 1 group of others.
The Others smugness, creepyness, and actions remind me of a cult. Like a Jim Jones society or Waco, TX compound. Bunch of people brainwashed into thinking “we’re the good guys! The rest of the world is f’d up” and a leader who is a master manipulator.