I think it was to show that there are consequences to lies that affect other people more detrimentally than yourself. The maid lost her job, Jae lost his life. I believe Daddy knew she broke the ballerina and was giving her the chance to do the right thing. He also told her later he wouldn’t tell Jin about the affair because it was not his place. It was her lie and she was the one who had to make it right.
Re: Colleen. I don’t think she will die but I do think they will have to get Jack to help her. I don’t like her comment that if Sun shot her then they would be enemies because she was basically asking to be shot by refusing to let Sun leave - basically threatening her and her baby’s life as far as Sun was concerned - and then continuing to advance on her.
I think this also showed that despite their mind games, the Others don’t know the Losties as much as they think they do. Perhaps this also went along with the theme about Sun’s lies - we don’t know everything she’s capable of either.
One other thing that struck me today is that the producers have never set an actual time frame that this all takes place in, leaving it open ended, could be mid to late ninety’s could be 2010 could be 2006, last night they set the date that plane crashed as September X 04, why would they give that up when they have said all along that it could be anytime? Maybe they are playing loose with what they tell us about their “plans” for the show.
No plotting in that, it just happened as part of the actions The Others inintiated. I guess one can say that about the Kate/Sawyer kill also.
Yep.
I agree with that overall sentiment, too, but I just wanted to point out that it isn’t a clean sweep win for The Others. Both teh Middies and the Tailies successfully outed and killled their infiltrators eventually.
Also, I’ll ask again - where’d the fucking motor on the boat come from? Was it there the whole time? The impression I got from Desmond is that he’s not the kind of guy to put a motor on his “around the world sailing” competition.
“Ooh look, the writers have done something interesting and tossed in a sailboat. What are the going to do with it?”
Nothing, as it turns out.
And Jin is going to SWIM after a motorboat? So he can…climb onto it and get shot? Is that the master plan?
Are all these people really fucking retarded? Did Jin take his Rescue 101 classes from Michael?
My new theory is this: Everyone on the plane was gassed while it was still on the runway. At that point a Dharma agent went to each Lostie, jammed a fork up their nose, gave it a few whacks with a hammer, twisted the fork a few times, and then moved on to the next Lostie.
Remember, kids, the trick to winning a war is to send your people against the enemy in small, easily manageable groups.
If the Suburban Others are supposed to be the “good guys” I’d hate to see what the Feral Others are capable of. Yeesh.
There are cameras in The Swan, wasn’t in The Pearl, with Eko, that Locke realized they were being watched and his faith, then, crumbled? So the Others Of The Urban Spoils, probably were very aware of what was happening to their fearless leader.
One of my big fears for the final resolution of the show, Merijeek, if there is one, is that all of this is a dream or hallucination of one or all of the Losties. I know that theory/fear has been mentioned before but I had all the faith in the world last year that this would not be the case.
The writers better get to gettin’ with filling in some of the holes because I feel a shark is about to be jumped, folks.
Anyone else see the establishing shot of the construction area and have the following sequence of thoughts?
Woohoo! They’re doing something useful!
…I wonder what they’re building…
…Wait, that’s a weird little ground-stomping tool someone is using. Where’d they get that?
…Aw fuck.
Sailboats of that size can often have small motors for emergency purposes. A large storm comes and wrecks your sail, and you’re fucked. But with a small motor and some gas, then maybe at least you have a small chance to go a few hundred miles. Sayid, Jin, and Sun didn’t use it because they were trying to be sneaky.
Last week, Ben sent an Other off to the tailsection crash site, and told him to have a list of names in three days. The Tailies were attacked and three people kidnapped that night, so unless Ben changed his plans (or the writers are being inconsistent), it wasn’t his group that attacked them.
Maybe he left Juliet on monitor duty? His line about “The leader is not a forgiving man…” might have been for the camera, rather than Jack, like, “Ha ha, very funny, guys. Now get me the frack out of here or when I do bust loose I am going to come back to the village and give somebody a wet willie she will not soon forget.”
I’m kind of wondering about the Others being psychological researchers. They’re kind of screwed: they don’t have any Controls. All they have is test subjects.
Wasn’t the “other” he sent to get the name list in 3 days the same guy Anna Lucia sniffed out and killed? He got to the crash site pretty quick to be running out of the jungle to help crash victims and Anna to notice that his clothes weren’t wet.
In an effort to understand the “We’re the good guys” claim I’ve been trying to look at things from the ‘Others’ point of view.
If we take at face value Ben’s claim that he’s lived his whole life on the island we’re left wondering just how long a time that has been. The actor was born in 1955, but he could be playing a somewhat younger character. Also his ‘whole life’ doesn’t have to mean he was born there–it could mean from a young age.
So Ben could be the son of some of the early Dharma Initiative people who first came to the island. (Could this have been as early as the mid- to late-Sixties?) If so, then he would have grown up indoctrinated in an isolated culture formed by people who considered themselves visionaries.
It would be strange if they didn’t think they were the ‘good guys’. After all, doesn’t just about everyone believe that the side they’re on is the right side? It’s also normal for them to feel that their isolationism is a good thing. Contact with the outside world wouldn’t, necessarily, affect these beliefs–there is plenty to fear and dislike in the outside world, especially if you’re predisposed to feel that way.
In such a situation, outsiders on their island would be seen as a threat to their way of life. The strangers (Losties) would bring new and dangerous ideas, and, if eventually rescued, end their precious isolation.* From this perspective the fact that the Flight 815 survivors didn’t ask to be there is beside the point.
From this their decision to immediately check for survivors and secretly investigate any found is to be expected–as is their efforts at subterfuge in any dealings with them that couldn’t be avoided.
The next obvious steps are to bring in and absorb any easily indoctrinated survivors (the Tailie children, for instance) and to identify any others that seem to share their values (‘good’ people) for later capture and [del]brainwashing[/del] re-education.**
To my mind this fits the facts as known and still leaves plenty of mysteries for the writers to gradually reveal.
For this reason I don’t think that Michael and Walt will truly find “Rescue”.
** My guess is that Ben’s promise to Jack that he will be allowed to go ‘home’ means that the island will become his home once he sees the light.
Ben said he would *take * Jack home. To me that suggests either:
He’s being metaphorical–I’ll kill you.
He’s planning to get the heck out of there himself.
Kelvin’s only comment about the boat in the hatch was that there was no boat. Maybe he knew about the surveillance?
The boat does not look repaired, does it? And if it was repaired, where did he get the equipment and materials to do it?
A timing question. We don’t know whether Ben’s conversation with Jack came before or after the shooting incident (or do we?) If it comes after, he’s probably setting Jack up to repair a gunshot wound. After that, we’ll see what promises get kept.
If they needed the sailboat to get off the island, then it was pretty stupid to give Michael the other boat, with which they were able to find rescue (if that’s really where they are going).
In the same podcast, they say that we’ll see Michael and Walt later in the season, but they have to set something else up first.
Also, on the DVD commentary, they said something about there being a whole layer beyond the Others.
What did the Others call Sayid? IIRC they didn’t use his name, like they seem to for the rest of the Losties.
