Ah . . . right. That’s a very good point. That’s one of the things that gives her some credibility, although the Losties don’t know about his story because Sawyer wouldn’t have told anyone, and Locke is off being a crazy person.
Unless her lies were promulgated in the media, which seems possible to me.
No, we don’t know that she “isn’t connected to Penny” – she claimed that she never met Penny and didn’t know why they’d been hired. Penelope had no idea who Naomi was, but Penelope was just the backer for their mission. Given that we saw the Antarctica Chess and Ham Radio Club reporting to Penny, it seems reasonable that she’d also have a ship working for her. The ship’s captain would probably be allowed to hire a helicopter pilot without Penny’s direct involvement, especially if he found a multilingual pilot to do search-and-rescue on a trans-Pacific crash site.
I think it’s much more sinister that Penny had a direct link to the underwater station, and was able to immediately begin a transmit/receive with the Looking Glass. You could explain that away easily, if you assume that any “listening post” in the southern hemisphere (including the Antarctica CHRC’s post) is tuning in to the numbers broadcast and/or Danielle’s repeater. Not sure why Penny would waste her time with that.
Of course, Naomi Dorrit is an anagram for “RADIO ON TRIM”. We must assume that she is there to put her radio on the trim, no matter what she told her captain she was going to do.
A few notes (forgive me if I’m being redundant; haven’t gone through all 8 pages of the thread yet).
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If you only think Mikhail’s dead, put two in his head, okay?
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I had a suspicion about the flashback being a flashforward pretty early; just didn’t seem to fit anywhere in what we knew of Jack’s previous life. My guess about the funeral? Michael.
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Is Juliet trying to find redemption now? That’s been a recurrent theme in the show.
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It does seem like Charlie accepted his own death in order not to jinx Claire being rescued. In practical terms, he could have simply stepped out of the electronics room and pulled the door shut behind him. Even if it weren’t latched, it would be held shut by the water pressure in the room. And Desmond was getting together diving gear.
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When Ben was, once again, using a threat against people Jack cares about to make Jack do what he wanted – if Jack had caved again, I would have stopped watching the show. Instead, he’d grown enough to make the gut-wrenching decisions required of a leader.
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Finally – a) Multiple Other thugs blowed up; b) Jack beats the everloving shit out of Ben; c) Hugo runs over that dude; d) Sayid breaks a guy’s neck with his feet; e) Sawyer puts Tom down with a bullet in the heart: “That’s for taking the kid off the boat”. These assholes are finally receiving some payback, and I’m likin’ it.
Well I’m quite sure both Naomi and Cooper got their information about the flight from the media, but I really doubt Naomi was the one who started the rumor. I don’t think either were “lying”, just repeating what they heard on TV. Which happened to be a lie.
I’m not saying Naomi personally started the rumor, but that she’s working for the people who did and is using that lie to her advantage. No?
I suppose it’s possible she’s working for whoever staged the fake crash or faked the media reports or whatever it is that happened, but I think it’s more likely she and Cooper watched the same report on CNN. But time will tell…
Too funny, PunditLisa Are you a Deltoid out of CVG? I worked for Delta Res in LAX for 20 years until 2 years ago when they closed down the office. I miss the biz, but not the headaches.
Frayed knot. Charlie pulled the door inward to close it. Had he just run out and tried to shut it behind him, the water pressure would’ve simply knocked it open. Plus the latch for the door was inside the comm room.
Several people have commented on the water pressure vs. the air pressure in the Looking Glass station and what should have happened when the ‘porthole’ blew or would have happened had Charlie shut the door from outside.
Here’s my take.
First of all the station was open to the ocean at the bottom so the air pressure inside the station would be the same as the water pressure at the depth of the surface of the ‘moonpool’.
Imagine holding an overturned bucket full of air under water and poking a hole in it. The air would rush out of the hole and the water level in the bucket would rise from the bottom up. Add to this the significant decrease in water pressure between the surface of the pool and the level of the top of the hole.
I think that the door would have blown shut on it’s own and the air pressure in the main area of the station would have held it strongly shut for a few moments, at least. Air would have leaked out of the room and water flowed in to replace it, but it would have had a much lower pressure than the air inside the station until the room had been filled.
At this point, I believe, the pressure in the room would equal water pressure at the depth of the floor of the room and air pressure in the main area would be the slightly higher pressure of the depth of the surface of the pool, which is a bit deeper than the floor. So the door still should have stayed shut even without an outside lock.
Besides there was a wheel on the outside of the door which I must assume had a purpose. It can only have been a way to latch the door from the outside. There were lock-levers on the inside of the door, but those merely prevent it from being opened from the outside.
But having said all this, I am not in the least surprised that Charlie wasn’t able to reason all this out in the seconds available to him in the moment of crisis. He, obviously, did what he thought he had to do to save others and died a hero, even if it was in vain.
Well, imagine an environment where no one ages or dies of natural causes and where people are free to reproduce at will. Balance can be a bitch.
Right you are; I just rewatched that scene to check. Still, as pointed out, the water in the comm room shouldn’t have risen above the port, leaving plenty of airspace. But Charlie was giving himself up because he believed Desmond’s vision, and that Claire would be rescued if he died in that room. This time I noticed Charlie crossing himself.
Please refresh my memory: who is Cooper?
Papa Locke
Yes, we do know that she isn’t connected to Penny. Penny explicitly said that she wasn’t connected with the boat that Naomi came in on. So, it doesn’t matter that she isn’t aware of Naomi in particular, because she isn’t aware of the whole “rescue” mission itself.
Are you guys being sarcastic? Link.
When I watched it again on TV, I could see a small mark that looked like an apostrophe.
I remember noticing that the message was more smudged the first time we see it than the second time. This indicates it was written on his hand more than once or two insert takes of the same writing were cut into the show in the wrong order. That is, the more smudged one should have been second time we see it.
Just rewatched that scene, and you’re right. The first time we see the hand, there is something that looks like an apostrophe. But there are a several other smudges, too, and it could be just a smudge. Then the camera switches to Desmond’s face, and when it pans back to his hand, there are no smudges, and no apostrophe. The screen capture I linked too must’ve been from the second time we see the hand.
OK, I’m really bored this afternoon…
If you look at the writing in the two scenes, they are quite different. It’s clear that the note was written more than once, and two different versions ended up on screen. This is something I would expect The Misfit to find, and then speculate that there are two Charlies. 
So if Penny isn’t connected to Naomi, how did Naomi get the picture of Desmond with Penny? Who else might have access to a copy? Daddy Widmore? The future-seeing old lady? One of the spies Ben uses to get information on folks in the outside world?