Lost 4.01: "The Begining of the End"

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Hey, me too!

Yes, I’m aware Scotland is part of Great Britain, but my apologies for having misspoken. Let’s all hope this egregious oversight doesn’t prevent Brits of any make and model from chit-chatting it up in my presence. Hooray for various and sundry British Isles accentry!
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Sorry, I nearly didn’t say anything, but I’m anal enough that I had to. So I tried to keep it snark free. No offense intended though.

But do you think I could get away with talking about an exchange between Sawyer and Jack and say “man, it was nice to hear an Alabamian (right word?) and a Yank talking” without someone cutting in and fighting my ignorance? Didn’t want to offend you, just thought you’d like that although it’s good to hear about appreciation of accents from this side of the pond, some people get angry when lumped into the wrong groups!

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But do you think I could get away with talking about an exchange between Sawyer and Jack and say “man, it was nice to hear an Alabamian (right word?) and a Yank talking” without someone cutting in and fighting my ignorance?
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Actually, since we’re on the subject, that’s probably not a good example. If you were in the U.S. and said that, someone would think you were talking about a person from Alabama (with a Southern accent) and someone from the Northeast (with a Boston, New York, or other regional accent). We don’t refer to generic Americans as Yanks, just people from a specific region. They’re more typically called Yankees, but I’ve heard it shortened to Yanks, also.

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Actually, since we’re on the subject, that’s probably not a good example. If you were in the U.S. and said that, someone would think you were talking about a person from Alabama (with a Southern accent) and someone from the Northeast (with a Boston, New York, or other regional accent). We don’t refer to generic Americans as Yanks, just people from a specific region. They’re more typically called Yankees, but I’ve heard it shortened to Yanks, also.
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Yeah, except that very few so-called Yankees actually refer to themselves as Yankees.

My ignorance, here, just makes it a different example! Thanks for pointing it out, though. Swap ‘yank’ with a suitable contraction for American and it’ll work.

[QUOTE=storyteller0910]

Amen and hallelujah, brother!

It amazes me how angry and frustrated people seem to get when Lost continues to be what it has always been: a serial with a logically bizarre but dramatically effective narrative, revealed in little bits and pieces over the course of a long period of time, punctuated by well-written dialogue and performed as an absolute acting clinic by some of the performers (man oh man, Naveen Andrews is a great actor). I like this sort of show. I like the very slow reveal, the very gradual escalation of tension and uncertainty, the periodic but not episodic payoffs, the weird digressions of plot, and the solid (Fox, Lilly, Garcia, de Ravin) to expert-level (Emerson, Andrews, O’Quinn, Kim & Kim) acting.

I can absolutely understand not enjoying that kind of show, but it’s not like the show is billed as anything other than what it is. The willingness of people to keep wasting time watching something that they fundamentally don’t like is terribly strange to me.
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I’m frustrated with Lost because it’s such a good premise and the mystery is intriguing enough to make me want to keep watching, but for a lot of those things you mentioned I think the exact opposite. The dialogue of a given episode usually has a few clever lines, but the way characters talk to each other is usually boring and predictable. In many of the character moments (i.e. when the focus is on relationships), they often say the absolute most cliche thing you can say in that situation. And the way Jack kept talking about the things they would be doing when they got off the island-- my cliche-meter was just about to explode. It sounded so forced and unnatural.

That’s not even getting into the non-sensical way characters behave. The oft-mentioned ‘decision’ (between going with Jack vs. Locke) scene made me laugh out loud at how absurd it was. There’s no real comparing of notes, no debate, not even a single word about trying a third option (including the most logical one-- a cautious invite-and-observe, with most people safely hidden away). Also, Kate’s decision to go chasing after Naomi on her own, without telling anyone. HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING FROM ALL OF THOSE STUPID LACK-OF-COMMUNICATION-CAUSED DISASTERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEFALLEN YOUR GROUP?!

Everyone is just so god-damned stupid, and in ways that real-life stupid people ain’t.

It also doesn’t help that this episode’s guest actor is one of the co-leads on The Wire, whose dialogue, acting, and plot execution make Lost seem like it was written by a Ritalin-deprived 2nd-grader.

I’ll still keep watching because of the plot, and for the occasional flashes of pure fun (the Nicky and Paolo episode, for example). I’m hooked, and no amount of bad dialogue or ultra-idiocy will keep me from discovering the secrets of the island. Just wish the trip wasn’t so :rolleyes: so often.

I think Walt is in the coffin. It seemed like a Black neighborhood, and I think the people working there were Black. That leaves either Michael or Walt. If the coffin was small, it could be the boy.

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I think Walt is in the coffin. It seemed like a Black neighborhood, and I think the people working there were Black. That leaves either Michael or Walt. If the coffin was small, it could be the boy.
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Walt stopped being “a boy” a long time ago. Did you remember him from the season 3 finale, he looked huge. If Walt died in the “present day” he’s definitely be tall enough for a full size coffin.

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I think Walt is in the coffin. It seemed like a Black neighborhood, and I think the people working there were Black. That leaves either Michael or Walt. If the coffin was small, it could be the boy.
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Why did I get eight copies of this post in my email…?

-FrL-

not to say it’s not an absolutely excellent post in every way… :wink:

Do we wait for John Mace to start tonight’s thread, or what?

I’m ready NOW :smiley:

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Do we wait for John Mace to start tonight’s thread, or what?

I’m ready NOW :smiley:
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Right here. Open since this morning.

I rewatched the ep in HD and surround sound. I thought I heard the Oceanic “attorney” introduce himself as “Matthew Eko”.