I’m wondering if maybe Sawyer doesn’t make it back as part of the Six. The flashforwards tonight were just soon after they were “rescued”; Kate invited Jack back to her place and had someone else* watching Aaron. She seemed pretty much on her own, if Sawyer had been back I don’t think they would have been able to keep him hidden at this point. Like he said, Freckles always returns.
Kate drinks from his box; Sawyer eats from hers
A friend of mine pointed out that reoccurance of Locke trying to sweet talk Ben(then known as Henry Gale) with food and a book, only to, once again, be mindfucked into a rage. Did anyone catch the book he picked out this time? Likewise, remember what the other one was?
Is anyone else picking up a Langoliers meets Donnie Darko vibe this season? I wonder how long before we get to see the Giant Technicolor Space Vagina again.
Thanks John Mace. I love the subtle little things like that. Has there ever been another show that has taken these types of details to such a fine degree? (slightly rhetorical, though if there is one, lmk, I’d like to check it out)
I think someone pulled that out of their ass. 8 pages of Google search and I found nothing except Lost refrences and a kids film about the easter Bunny.
This is only the second time I’ve asked. My memory is for shit anymore, however.
It still seems odd to me because every other person listed actually shows up in the episodes.
Never mind.
What’s the timeline for this trial? People in the thread have presumed that it’s the earliest flash-forward that we’ve seen but I’m not sure what that’s based on. We know that Kate’s mom has been terminally ill for at least 4 years at this point, which could mean that this is the latest flash-forward we see. I don’t recall when Kate’s mom was diagnosed, and it might not have been obvious from the flash-back when it happened. Suppose that Kate’s mom was diagnosed within a year of when Oceanic 815 crashed, that could mean that this trial is happening 3+ years after the crash and presumably 2 years and 8 months after they are rescued. Is there anything we’ve seen that makes that timeline impossible?
If that timeline works in the story, the baby Aaron, who looks to be between 18 and 24 months old, could easily have been conceived well after the Oceanic Six were rescued. The scene from last season where Jack is drunk and bearded and he meets Kate discretely could have happened before this trial and Kate had to go back to “him” meaning the boy’s off-island father. Maybe Sawyer, maybe someone we don’t know yet.
I’m having a hard time coming up with a realistic explanation for why Jack would refuse to see the child after the trial if that simply Claire’s Aaron. Even if Jack somehow blames himself for Claire’s future death and feels guilty, it’d be out of character for him to act like an ostrich on the topic. He’s always been a noble, attack things head-on kind of guy. The only reason I can imagine him avoiding the baby is if it belongs to someone that he really hates and Kate betrayed him in the process. Or if it’s his and somehow he really doesn’t want to be a part of the kids life, which seems like a long shot based on his character.
So, is there any especially compelling reason to think that this flashback happened shortly after the crash? With how the US legal system works, especially involving a famous celebrity like one of the Oceanic Six, a long protracted multi-year pretrial wait would be perfectly predictable and expected. How long has R. Kelly been awaiting trial afterall?
Let’s suppose that Jack’s bearded meltdown happened long before this. And that something Kate did, probably involving her “son”, is what drove him past the breaking point to drug abuse. And then it’s post-meltdown in-recovery Jack that lies on the stand for Kate and isn’t yet prepared to see her “son”. Doesn’t that make more sense than Jack not wanting to see the baay-beeee?
I think that the three most important clues in the episode were the $3.2 million extortion figure, Faraday not being able to remember (or foresee) the three card monty and the 4-years Kate’s mom has been terminal before the trial.
Personally, I think that bearded Jack is the farthest into the future we’ve seen.
The flashforwards are probably like the flashbacks in Seasons 1-3. They fill in information about the characters, but determining their chronology respective to one-another isn’t real pointful. It doesn’t matter whether Kate blew up her dad before or after Sayid left Iraq and it doesn’t matter whether Kate got let off for murder before or after Sayid became The Jackal.
One thing that bugs me about Aaron is that Claire was already way preggers when they crashed. Now even if they spent a year on the island, the oldest that Kate’s baby could be would, if she was impregnated on the island or just before arriving, be ~3/4 months. So when the losties returned, no one happened to notice that the baby Kate was claiming as her biologically own was a 1 year old, not a 3/4 month old baby?
I mean when they got back to the real world. They were, presumably, all over the TV for weeks after being rescued, their individual stories told and retold.
I might not be able to tell the difference between a 1 year old and a 3/4 month old baby, but I’d suspect that there are lots of people who can. So when they see Kate on the TV holding a baby and the math doesn’t work, you’d expect people to doubt the tale.
Yep, so it will be interesting if they’ve been gone on the island longer than the number of days they experienced there. (Or less, whichever makes it work out right with Aaron.)
I’m gonna second the poster that’s wondering where in the world are the non-combat Others? Don’t they still have a couple dozen, PLUS some of the “good” ones that they stole from the 815-ers? Are they just wandering around on the second island? Playing backgammon with the Black Smoke Monster? Are they, perhaps, in league with the Boaties? Or… are THEY the ones responsible for bringing down the helicopter?!
Diabolical!
And I just had a thought… maybe the Black Smoke Monster is a 4-toed humanoid, like that giant statue foot. Or perhaps a descendant of the 4-toed humanoids, cross-bred with polar bears. And BSM feeds on people’s minds, gradually making everyone as dumb as Jack and/or Claire.
What? You got a better idea for putting it together?
I’m becoming more and more convinced that Kate is pure eeeeevil, and Locke and Jack aren’t far behind. When Ben referred to himself and the Others as “the good guys,” I think he might have been right.
Kate has proven to be nothing other than selfish and manipulative. Name one thing she’s done - either on or off the island - that wasn’t entirely self-serving. So, blowing up her stepdad was arguably to help her mom, but clearly her mom didn’t agree, so who was it helping? Herself, that’s who, as payback for his skeevy advances. She got her childhood ex (a decent family man) killed for no reason, committed multiple injurious felonies just to get his toy plane, decieved a decent cop into marrying her, then drugged him and left so she wouldn’t have to endure “taco night.” On the Island, she’s even worse. All around her, people were suffering and dying and her biggest concern was anyone finding out she was a fugitive. She constantly emotionally and sexually manipulates both Jack and Sawyer to get what she wants - which is always something that serves herself over everyone else (ie. guns, information, nooky, a way off the island, a story to get her off the hook for murder). She just as quickly turns her back on them when they want something from her (honesty, nooky, swear-you-won’t-come-back-for-me). She is despicable. I don’t understand why Jack or Sawyer give her a second glance any more. Locke’s dismissive “you’re not welcome here any more” is the most sensible thing he’s said all season.
I save the majority of my ire for Kate, but Jack has been grating on me since season two, and even worse now. Mainly, he’s bloodthirsty. He feels like a failure for being unable to lead his people to the promised land - a land many are rightly skeptical of - and so, naturally, pummels Ben to a bloody pulp and attempts to shoot Locke in the head. His manner is eerily nervous and needy, like you’d imagine the picked-on kid at school who just can’t win, and ends up shooting up the cafeteria. He’s also a right liar, and does so in defense of the worst villain of the series (see above) because he still inexplicably has the hots for her. The only redeeming thing about Jack is desire to off himself in last season’s finale. I’m only glad he didn’t succeed because he seems to be suffering even more for it.
And Locke, well, Locke is just a megalomaniac with a Messiah complex. If his goals are so noble, I’d sure hope that one day he decides to share them with someone.
