I’m holding out hope that Desmond makes it off. I think he will.
Charles Widmore doesn’t really like the dude, but he’s never really given us any reason to think he’d be hostile to him. Especially now that Penny is back in love with him, you have to imagine that Daddy Widmore would give into Penny’s wishes. Overall I think that Widmore is probably going to end up being a good guy. Self-interested and eager to get rich and powerful, but he’s Ben’s people’s enemy and he’ll probably be the one responsible for getting the Oceanic 6 off.
Since Desmond went missing alone, without publicity, and knows the Widmores it’d be very easy for them to rescue him along with the Oceanic 6 and simply send him back to Penny before the media got wind of it. Nothing about the “Oceanic Six” necessarily means that Desmond, Danielle, Juliette, Alex or any of the Others don’t get off.
Well, I was fooled, but not in the way they wanted you to think. The toys in the toy store at the beginning were all 2007-era toys. So, I’m explaining to my wife, “it’s three years in the future from the island.” Power Rangers: Operation Overdrive, Ben-10…
Dammit, in a show like this, I kind of expect them to think about these kinds of things, because that’s a big screw-up, as far as I’m concerned, when time is such an important issue.
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Well, in the tent at the end Jin says something along the lines of “he’ll do anything” to get her and the baby off the island. Along with an “I promise”. Seems like a pretty heavy handed bit of foreshadowing considering it immediately cut to Jin’s grave site. Of course that could mean he sacrifices his chance to get off the island for them, but that seems less likely.
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Except if Jin is secretly alive, presumably the Oceanic Six would know since they’re in on the cover-up. However, it’s Hurley who suggests that Sun bring the baby to Jin’s grave, which hardly seems like something he’d do if he knows Sun’s still alive.
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Except if Jin is secretly alive, presumably the Oceanic Six would know since they’re in on the cover-up. However, it’s Hurley who suggests that Sun bring the baby to Jin’s grave, which hardly seems like something he’d do if he knows Sun’s still alive.
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Sun could be crying (and Hurley could be looking stoically uncomfortable) because he’s stuck on the Island for whatever reason and they miss him. Not necessarily because he’s dead.
Wow, I completely misinterpreted the flashback interplaying with the flashforward. I thought “What? Jin faked his death and remarried? How and why?!”
(I console myself with the fact that I did predict from the start that they were trying to fool us, that Jin was going to a different maternity ward and getting a phone call from someone else, for whatever reason. I just completely blew up at understanding the actual details of it, in the end).
I think Jin counts as one of the Oceanic 6 since he died off Island.
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He didn’t, though. I went back and looked, and his grave said he died Sep 22, 2004. That means he “died” in the crash (since it seems the Oceanic 6 aren’t only the only ones rescued, but they’re all sticking to the lie that they’re also the only ones to survive the crash, or at least survive for more than a few days after.)
ETA: My friend has a theory that Aaron doesn’t count as one of the Oceanic 6, but whoever was in the coffin at the end of last season does. Forgot about him/her, didn’t you? Of course, with the way Lost goes, the producers/writers will forget about it too. sigh.
(I still think it’s Michael in the coffin, and seeing him in the boat adds plausibility to that theory.)
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The captain knows who Sayid and Desmond are and knows that Desmond knows Widmore.
He shows them the black box and says it was recovered from the Sunda (?) trench from the wreckage of flight 815. He then says that obviously the wreckage is a fake since Sayid is standing in front of him. He points out that whoever faked the crash also somehow found 324 bodies to put in the fake crash (not to mention the obvious cost). He ends by saying that, given what Widmore has already done, that it is obvious why they have to get Ben.
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I know somebody else pointed it out, but this is inaccurate…
Captain said that Widmore went through great expense to get the box. Can you imagine the cost it took to fake ane ntire plane crash? Can you imagine why you would do such a thing? More disturbing, can you imagine where you would get all those dead bodies? This is just one reason why we are after Benjamin Linus.
This is somewhat of a parphrase- but I think is much more accurate. As it implies that Benjamin is the one who faked the plane crash, and his intentions are not to ever allow any of the Losties off the island.
At this point, I don’t know that we can say Widmore even knew the plane was faked until the freighter got to the island. Showing the black box, however was clearly the best way to convince Sayid and Desmond that Ben is the bad guy here and not them (Not that it needed much convincing). I think the freighter people are reluctant, because the Losties were not their primary objective, and at this point it’s unsure if they’re going to be rescued.
I’m pretty irritated at this episode. The audience manipulation is more blatant than usual. Jin’s flashback had no purpose on its own, it was only there to be a gimmick so that they could have the OMG FOOLED YOU!!!111 Lost ending. At least most of their audience manipulation is vague enough that you can justify it relating to the story, but in this case it added nothing to the story at all.
I did like the “I suppose you aren’t going to tell us who gave those orders…” “Oh yeah, sure, why not? Charles Widmore” part. Sayid should’ve done a double take.
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I did like the “I suppose you aren’t going to tell us who gave those orders…” “Oh yeah, sure, why not? Charles Widmore” part. Sayid should’ve done a double take.
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I loved that. I automatically liked the Captain just because he’s straightforward and answered a direct question with a direct answer. We might actually get somewhere with this guy.
One of the main reasons why I suspect Jin is still alive, but on the island, is that when Hurley arrived, she told him that she did cry out for Jin in the hospital. The doctors, luckily didn’t question why she’d be calling out for her “dead” husband, cuz she was in distress… however, she was really calling for him because she knew he was still out there… somewhere.
So, of course, everyone who “died” in the crash got an empty grave because of the lie that there were only 8 survivors, but only six who made it back. It’s a good proxy for her to visit, knowing she has no way to communicate with him directly. Tricksy writers indeed!
Also, they must be keeping with the faked crash story for some reason?!
I want to know why the captain has the black box. If Whidmore bought it, shouldn’t he be having it analyzed by now?
Also, why so many negative effects on those close to the island while those on the island seem to be mainly good ones (healing) and have not had these “wig outs”?
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Also, why so many negative effects on those close to the island while those on the island seem to be mainly good ones (healing) and have not had these “wig outs”?
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There seems to be some sort of “wall” around the island. The wall distorts time, it will mess things up if you don’t travel the same path as you came in, and who knows what else. Given that the Others had their second island they lived on, it’s a decent bet that the wall is a pretty good distance out to sea around them. And most likely, the ship is just on the outside edge and the effects are getting to them.
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I automatically liked the Captain just because he’s straightforward and answered a direct question with a direct answer. We might actually get somewhere with this guy.
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True enough, but I think that notion is invalidated by the note (presumably from Michael/Mr. Jackson) … the Captain may be straightforward and direct, but that doesn’t mean what he’s saying is true.
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True enough, but I think that notion is invalidated by the note (presumably from Michael/Mr. Jackson) … the Captain may be straightforward and direct, but that doesn’t mean what he’s saying is true.
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I agree. If there’s anything we know about this show, it’s that everyone lies.
Also, something happens between now and the flashforwards that has Sayid (arguably the most rational person on the show) working for Ben.
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I want to know why the captain has the black box. If Whidmore bought it, shouldn’t he be having it analyzed by now?
Also, why so many negative effects on those close to the island while those on the island seem to be mainly good ones (healing) and have not had these “wig outs”?
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To your first question, I assume it already has been analyzed - since, you know, the freighter is actually AT the island.
Your second question has more possibilities. Let’s see…
Unstuck-in-time guy whose brain bled out his nose may have been considered to have been exposed to a lot of EM radiation because he was the radio and communications guy. Desmond, of course, was in the middle of the hatch-plosion.
As for Regina…well, maybe we’ll find out she was their electromagnet calibration officer or something.
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So, does Widmore want $3.2 million from Ben, since that’s what he spent to fake the plane crash?
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Widmore didn’t fake the plane crash. The implication is that Ben did.