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Have aliens been eliminated as a possible explanation for the Richard, Abbadon and Jacob characters?
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From an interview with the producers I read recently:
They were asked if everyone on the island is from Earth and they said laughed and said Yes. So I think that rules out the alien theory.
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Didn’t Locke and Alpert have a conversation back when the Others evacuated New Otherton and Ben tried to convince Locke to kill his father?
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Heh. Yeah, Alpert gave Locke Sawyer’s file in order to help him get rid of the man from Tallahassee. I suppose it’s too much to expect him to recognize a guy he met when he was a kid who still looks exactly the same.
[QUOTE=Paul The Younger]
I think Claire is every bit as alive as Christian is.
What, just because we saw Christian laid out in the morgue means he’s dead? Woo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens he’s only MOSTLY dead!
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I’d think Christian is alive and well also. Way back in season one episode five jack found his dad’s coffin that was on the plane with them EMPTY near the caves. Ghosts have no need for their dead bodies. People who are brought back to life do.
My money is stil on Christian being dead and smokey wearing a meat suit.
[QUOTE=Diceman]
I wondering if maybe Claire is dead. Perhaps she didn’t survive that explosion, after all.
Going back to Richard, I think I know what he was doing with young Locke. He was trying to find out if Locke was the reincarnation of some important person. I’ve heard of Tibetan monks doing something similar when the Dalai Lama dies. One or two of those objects were important to the dead person, while the rest were meaningless junk. Supposedly, the reincarnated soul will be able to pick out the objects that it knew in its past life. Locke chose the wrong object, so he isn’t the boy they were looking for.
I’m guessing that Richard was working for DHARMA at that point. They seem to have been heavily into New Age-type stuff. Locke looks to be in his fifties, so Richard’s encounter with young Locke would have been at least a few years before he met Ben.
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I think, too, that richard was working for Dharma. However, I think Richard had plans to turn on Dharma. I’m guessing that Locke actually got the right things. Richard was upset, not that Locke guessed wrong, but that Locke guessed right. Richard probably then started to realize that his revolution from within wasn’t going to work, because even with him (Richard) working against Dharma from the inside, if Dharma were to get Locke, all would be over…or something like that. Who knows, it’s a theory, and I’m probably wrong. Good episode though.
[QUOTE=HelloNinja]
From an interview with the producers I read recently:
They were asked if everyone on the island is from Earth and they said laughed and said Yes. So I think that rules out the alien theory.
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They’ve lied before.
Wow, they threw some really crazy shit at us this time-- lots of it. I don’t know yet whether I like this direction or not. Claire has obviously transitioned into some sort of different reality, and whether that is “death” or not, I don’t know. But something is not the same. I knew Christian wouldn’t say his last name when Locke asked him who he was. I really expected Abbadon to make an appearance in the Cabin.
I’m glad they bought Richard back. He’s such an interesting character, and links us to the Island’s past better than anyone else. I wonder if the writers are making Michael unable to die just to screw with us, since they know how much people hate his character.
The new backstory stuff on Locke is kind of interesting. Note that he was supposed to be a scientist, but instead is “the man of faith”.
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When Christian (now there’s a name with meaning) says the baby is where he’s supposed to be, maybe he means With Sawyer.
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Yeah, I mentioned that in a thread a couple weeks ago. Hey, how long was he dead before he came back to life anyway? Three days?
As far as whether or not Claire was supposed to raise her baby or not, hasn’t there always been some debate as to whether the psychic’s warning was that she shouldn’t let another raise her baby, or that she shouldn’t let an Other raise her baby?
[QUOTE=Paul The Younger]
Interesting. I took the Richard anomaly to indicate time travel, not fountain of youth. Actual, physical time travel would explain why he had items that already belonged to John (in the future) for young John to pick out.
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He did?
Have we seen that compass and that vial before, then?
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[QUOTE=Paul The Younger]
I have a question - or nitpick - about the directions given to Sayid by the Captain. If a bearing of 305 took them from the island to the freighter as per Faraday’s instructions to Frank when they first left the island by helicopter, wouldn’t the trip back to the island require a bearing of roughly 180 degrees difference? Seems to me that a bearing of 305 from the freighter would lead Sayid in exactly the opposite direction of where he wants to be.
Since the previews for next week show him reaching the island, I’m feeling like this is just a gaff – the script writers didn’t want to explain to the dumb TV watching audience how a compass works. (And if Sayid found his way back I guess John hasn’t moved the island yet :D).
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Or space is really weird around the island. Which it is.
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What was in the vial? Was that some of the grey dirt that outlined the boundary Locke and Ben crossed the first time they went to Jacob’s cabin?
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I think, too, that richard was working for Dharma. However, I think Richard had plans to turn on Dharma. I’m guessing that Locke actually got the right things. Richard was upset, not that Locke guessed wrong, but that Locke guessed right.
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Something that struck me was the way Richard set the knife down on top of the comic book. Every other object was laid out singly, but not the knife. Which made it stand out to me, but I wonder if the point was to make it NOT stand out to Ben? Hoping that, even if he looked in the knife’s direction, he might be distracted by the comic book – all boys like comic books, right? – and not go for the knife.
[QUOTE=Shoeless]
Yeah, I mentioned that in a thread a couple weeks ago. Hey, how long was he dead before he came back to life anyway? Three days?
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:smack: Obvious, but I like it!
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As far as whether or not Claire was supposed to raise her baby or not, hasn’t there always been some debate as to whether the psychic’s warning was that she shouldn’t let another raise her baby, or that she shouldn’t let an Other raise her baby?
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I am pretty sure he said something like “this child must be rasied by you, with your influence.” Something along those lines. He was so adamant that I would want a pretty good explanation as to why it was OK for Claire to just give him up (to *Kate *of all people - gah!)
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He did?
Have we seen that compass and that vial before, then?
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No, I don’t believe we’ve seen them before (perhaps the compass?). I expect that we will down the road.
The vial appeared to contain coarse sand, probably from the beach is my guess.
I think Richard was the “leader” of the Others prior to Ben.
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I think Richard was the “leader” of the Others prior to Ben.
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Yeah, I think we can be pretty sure of that. I don’t think Richard is Dharma, though. He predates Dharma and clearly wanted to get them off the Island.
Locke had a compass on the Island, but the one Richard showed young Locke looked much older. The knife looked quite old, too. Of course time is relative, right?
I don’t think Richard brought back an item of future-Locke’s, because if he knew future-Locke he would have already known he was the chosen one, and therefore wouldn’t have bothered with the test in the first place. (Much less given up on the kid after he picked the wrong item.)
For some reason Merlin from The Once And Future King just popped into my head. It doesn’t fit anything so far, but the idea of somebody living backwards in time would fit right in on Lost.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
Yeah, I think we can be pretty sure of that. I don’t think Richard is Dharma, though. He predates Dharma and clearly wanted to get them off the Island.
Locke had a compass on the Island, but the one Richard showed young Locke looked much older. The knife looked quite old, too. Of course time is relative, right?
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Both items were very old. Maybe as old as the Black Rock. I think Richard is looking for whoever is going to become the corpse from the ship.
No that doesn’t quite fit. He says the knife isn’t the correct choice. But everything goes back to that ship and who the bodies belong to. We won’t find out this season.
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I don’t think Richard brought back an item of future-Locke’s, because if he knew future-Locke he would have already known he was the chosen one, and therefore wouldn’t have bothered with the test in the first place. (Much less given up on the kid after he picked the wrong item.)
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You make a good point. Unfortunately it forces us to accept that yet another crazy idea…that some of the characters are immortal. :dubious:
My thoughts on the new Richard / John Locke / Abbadon / Ben Linus dynamic…
Richard, as a hostile, identifies John Locke somehow at birth as having the potential to be “the chosen one”. Maybe he’s identified because he’s Anthony Cooper’s son, and there’s more we don’t know yet about Cooper. (I think it’s well established that Cooper is Locke’s biological dad, since the kidneys matched.)
Richard tests Locke with the “Dalai Lhama” test. If these items are not from his future, then I believe they are from his distant past…perhaps a past life aboard the Black Rock. Locke correctly identifies the two items, but then selects the knife as well (maybe since he imagines himself as an adventurer). Richard decides it’s a failure, and shows his frustration over waiting 8 or 10 years to determine Locke’s “chosen one” status.
[WAG] A few years later, Richard (and Horace? - remember that Horace and his wife were the motorists that stopped to help Ben’s parents when she went into labor) will identify Ben as a likely “chosen one”, test him, and find that he passes the test.[/WAG] Ben and his dad are then brought to the island by Horace, and Richard later recruits him to join the Hostiles. It seems obvious that Ben was the reason Roger was recruited to work for Dharma. He was completely unimportant to them once they reached the island - as evidenced by the janitorial job he was given.
Richard later tries to recruit Locke as a teenager to join him at Mittelos. Why the turnaround from his earlier disappointment in Locke, we don’t yet know. However, given how strongly they later recruited Juliet, it seems like this attempt (recommending their summer camp through a teacher) is a pretty feeble one.
Years later, Abbadon, working for Widmore, identifies Locke as someone who can find the island. Perhaps buying the ship’s log at auction has given Widmore the clue he needed to figure out that John was on the Black Rock in a past life. Encouraging him to go on a walkabout is the beginning of their plans to discover the island. Maybe they engineered a whole plane full of people, with past-life connections to the island, to board Oceanic 815 – knowing that the island would somehow bring them all back to its shores.
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