So if Jack had gotten up off his lazy ass and fixed Ben, Ben would never have been otherized and all this mess could have been avoided? Stupid Jack!
That would be Jacob.
It was the same ruins that the french guy was dragged into a few episodes back. Which we’ve been calling the temple but it is possible that it is a different place then the temple. It definitely wasn’t the cabin.
I love that Kate was “Auntie Kate” to Sawyer’s daughter, don’t know why. I also liked that Sawyer said he’d grown up a lot over the last 3 years, and that he was helping Ben for Juliet. Yeah, I’m a sap.
and out of many choices my favorite line had to be Kate telling Jack that she didn’t like the new Jack.
Which works out perfectly, because I hate Kate and I love the new Jack. You can tell that Locke finally got to him.
That’s cause the New Jack[sup]tm[/sup] has something like 75% less drama than he used to and that sucking vortex of drama, Kate is now spewing her drama everywhere, trying to find some new person to get her hooks into.
Do we know anything about Jacob?
Also, crazy-assed theory? Christian already had one out-of-wedlock kid. What if he had another: Ben. No–hear me out. That would be why Ben’s Daddy is such a douche–not only did the kid kill mommy by getting born, the kid isn’t even his. Because of whatever magic genes or whatever that the Island needs from Jack, the Island mistook Ben for Jack for years before figuring out “Oh shit–this isn’t Jack–this is some sort of bizarro half-Jack.”
I have nothing to support this, but dammit, I have as much right as anyone to make up screwball, unsupported LOST theories for others to puncture. 
Yeah, but… what happens, happens. You can’t blame it on Jack, it just… happens.
Though, it was Kate who officially gave Ben up to be Otherized, so it all can be blamed on her.
It’s probably not a coincidence that the shows two Bad Seeds were the ones who had to make the biggest ethical decision yet faced by the original survivors. Richard said, in helping Kate and Sawyer know what was going to happen if they chose to give Ben to the Others: “He will be different, without a soul” (or sense of ethics, something along those lines). In a choice between ethics and life is it not surprising that Kate, who really is the most morally repugnant of the two (hell, of all the Survivors), again chose against ethics? In a world where the decision is boiled down to living dirty or dying clean… Kate will always choose the dirt.
I still don’t think she’s a slut, though.
Naw, the best line was his response: “You never liked the old Jack.” Shut her up!
But what happened, happened. Sayid always shot Ben, Jack always refused to help save him and Kate gave Ben to the others to become the lying, manipulative bastard we all know and love.
I don’t buy the “otherization” reasons for Grown-Up Ben’s behavior–L’il Ben was already a lying manipulative bastard: he was willing to help Sayid escape, remember.
It may have made him MORE of a lying manipulative bastard, but he wasn’t an angel going into the process either.
I think the term he used was that Ben would “lose his innocence”.
When Kate gave Aaron to Claire’s mom and told her that she was going back to the island to look for Claire, my first thought was, “Hmmm… I wonder if we’ll find out that she and Aaron were on the Ajira flight, and Aaron winds up back on the island with the O6 after all.”
One thing I’m not real clear on: After Jack refused to help, Kate, Juliet, and Sawyer were pretty quick to conclude that the only way to save the kid is to give him to the Others. Why? What evidence have they seen that convinces them the Others have either better medical facilities, a skilled surgeon, or some magical healing abilities? It seemed like quite a leap of logic, or else I just missed the path leading from “Ben needs surgery” to “Let’s hand him over to the Hostiles.”
Overall, though, a good solid episode that actually moved the plot along.
Next week, though, looks awesome:It’s Judgement Day for Ben Linus!!
Don’t forget that Juliet spent a lot of time (several years, IIRC) as a member of the Others (under Ben’s leadership). She knew Richard fairly well (Richard was the one who recruited her to come to the island in the first place). She knew what they were capable of in 2004, and she probably had some sense of their history as well.
Some have been quick to condemn Jack for not helping Ben. But perhaps he, like Sayid, sees himself in that unique position of going back in time and killing baby Hitler. What, say you all, IS the more ethical choice?
I just thought of something… Juliet did spend several years with the others, and yet she was apparently never “Otherized” since she went time-jumping with everyone else when the FDW was out of whack. I wonder if that was intentional on Ben’s part, since he would know that she would have to be able to go back to 1977.
And she really knows how to wear a long skirt. ROWrrrrr…
Man, the lady in the supermarket sure looked like Claire from behind, didn’t she?
And I guess next week it’s finally revealed who kicked the crap out of Ben.
Has anyone gotten their head wrapped around why we’ve only seen Richard Alpert with long, disheveled hair once?
When Juliet was “banished” by the sheriff it was speculated that she was de-Otherized. This episode pretty much confirms it.
Here’s the Lostpedia article on Cassidy, which I had to look up after the episode. I couldn’t remember how it was that Kate knew Sawyer’s conned babymama. Now I know.
Because it was sexy? I forget when we saw him like that. Wasn’t he also wearing very old fashioned clothing?
We saw him like that the first time he met Ben, and told him he’d have to be patient and wait to join The Others.
How many more episodes are there this season? For some reason I thought next week was supposed to be the last one.