Nope. I think. From what I had understood, they jumped. Stood around and saw the fully-erect (heh heh) statue and then they jumped again. Or so I understood it.
I kind of got the idea that the producers showed us the statue to get us excited in a “finally we get to see what the deal is! yes!” kind of way and then jerked the rug out while laughing with maniacal glee by making them jump again.
-Joe
Also, I liked Richard’s line about the sonic fence keeping “other things” out but “not us.” Is he talking about Smokey?
Probably. But on the other hand, keep in mind that as long as The Others have mastered “Ladder Technology” that sonic fence won’t keep anyone out.
-Joe
This reminds me of the line from the Simpsons parody of Paul Bunyen, “Why is it that we have ladders that can put a man on the roof, but we can’t find a renewable source of food?”
I don’t know what disturbed me more: that it was gigantic, or that it had FOUR ASSES…!!!
This is in keeping with what we’ve learned of Richard. He’s held in reverence by his people, but he’s not THE leader, and he’s not treated as a god or anything. He’s just a guy who for some curious reason, never ages. So he would need proof to convince hotheads like Charles Widmore that what he’s saying is actually true, that they should cool it.
Great episode.
It might just be a coincidence(if anything really is on this show), but was anyone else struck by how much Horace and Amy bore a resemblance to Sawyer and Kate? This episode at least, their pictures on Lostipedia, don’t quite do them justice. However, looking on Lostipedia, Paullooks awfully similar too. Horace also shares a surname with Olivia(blond, good with a gun, smart(teacher))
Confusion/Plot Hole time:
-There is NO WAY that the time-spinny 5 (Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Daniel, Miles), let alone the returned Oceanic 6, could have lived with Dharma during the time that Ben was there and not have run into him. If this happened, then Ben would (now) remember it, and Ben has never shown even a hint of knowing about “Le Fluer” being a Dharma muckety muck (and not even in a “Ben is a liar” sort of way: Ben is a character that’d at least let on that he mysteriously knows something about them).
So I’m assuming that a) Ben arrives as a teenage boy sometime after the 3 years, and that this means that b) the time-spinny 5 won’t stick around in Dharma-ville much longer.
However, and this is a super duper stretch… we still don’t know why Jin being alive was so important to Ben. It might simply have been that Locke promising not to bring Sun back was unacceptable to Ben. But, and I’m speculating wildly here… if Ben knows that Jin was part of Dharma at some point, couldn’t that info from Locke about Jin being alive have meant something important to Ben?
-If that redhead that Daniel saw was NOT Charlotte (as it could not have been if we all have the times right) then you’d think the show creators would do a better job of pointing that out. It certainly makes sense that Daniel would want to stick around to warn Charlotte (no wait, it doesn’t, because Daniel already knows that he can’t change anything!!!) and for that to give him a reason to stick around for 3 years until she arrives. But they really confused the audience, in a sloppy storytelling way rather than a LOST mystery way, if that redhead was merely symbolic and not THE Charlotte.
Also, re: Daniel:
I LOVE IT!
Crazy theory: What if Bernard and Rose were left behind when the flash occurred to the time of the giant statue and were stranded there, eventually to die and have their corpses discovered later as Adam and Eve, leaving the black and white stones as a sign who they were. The only problem is that according to Lostpedia, Jack said that the bodies were 40-50 years old.
I dont know if we know that for sure. Juliet’s only experience with pregnancy complications on the island was with Others women. When she finds out Sun is pregnant she naturally assumes the worst. But it could be just an Others problem and not an island problem. We really don’t know much about the Others prior to the purge, and maybe it’s a problem they have from years of inbreeding or something (could be why they shot Paul and were trying to take Amy). As far as I remember, there wasn’t anything to lead us to believe Sun was having complications except for the fact that Juliet was worried about her (based on her history with Other women). I could definitely be forgetting something though.
When did Adam and Eve make an appearance?
I agree about duplicate people. I think the reason Locke didn’t want to investigate the pillar of light a few episodes ago was because he didn’t want to meet himself and alter things.
A thought of my own: Why was the rope still there (buried in the ground) after Locke fell and they all flashed back in time? Was it because Sawyer was touching it when the flash happened?
The previews show that he’s already having to lie a bunch more to splain where Hurley, Jack, and Kate came from. He’d probably want to do what he could to maintain his credibility.
I wonder if Ben learned the art of conning from Sawyer.
The list that supposedly came from Jacob was could actually have been made by Ben based upon his encounter with the Sawyer and crew. We haven’t been given any explanation about why they wanted them.
The eyeliner remark was distracting for me. I’ve alway noticed it about Richard’s eyes, but I didn’t know if it was the actor, or the character (if that makes sense).
Here’s a SUPER stretch:
Assuming that Richard either doesn’t age, or he’s jumping back and forth through time.
Richard = eyeliner
Eyeliner = Eqyptian
Statue = Egyptian
Richard = statue
So the statue is of Richard. Maybe he’ll take off his left shoe in the next episode.
Maybe kid Charlotte did some time-hopping of her own to end up adult Charlotte in time to have Daniel fall in love with her?
I just have to say, it’s amazing that one show can have the most convoluted time-travel storyline ever (Lost) and another show can have one that’s not nearly as convoluted (Heroes) and the former will be praised and the latter panned. Wild! I have just about given up on figuring out exactly what the timeline is on Lost by now.
Here’s the theory a buddy of mine and I are working on: When Ben takes over, he does stuff that ultimately causes him to lose the favor of the island, and the island starts trying to get rid of him. Now it can’t do it directly, thats too easy. So it starts doing it in weird islandy ways like bringing a plane with locke to replace him, giving him the illness, not allowing women to have babies causing his ranks to dwindle, getting locke to make ben turn the wheel, etc.
Yeah, but does that mean he determined that Adam and Eve were 40–50 years old at their time of death, or that they’d been dead for 40–50 years when Jack examined them? If the former, they could well have been Bernard and Rose.
There’s pretty convincing evidence (at least for me) out there that the Statue is that of Egyptian god, Anubis.
If you look in his hands, it looks like he’s holding an Ankh in each.
Also, I’d say the little red-headed girl that is proposed to be young-Charlotte, is only 4 years old, tops.
Remember that the BSM operates in limited area - apparently related to the Temple. For all anyone knows, New Otherton is built within the danger radius, but the others aren’t.
-Joe
That’s certainly a viable theory. I think we can pretty much take it for granted that Ben looses the island’s favor.
Anyway, here’s my thoery so far. Perhaps with enough duct tape and crazy glue we can fashion something that works.
Like I said upthread, the island is a unique point in which the spacetime tube can be viewed/experienced in it’s complete fixed form. The Dharma Initiative concoct an experiment to link people to this aspect of the island so that people can see the future.
For a while this works. The Specials brought in to view the future are able to see points in the island’s history - but there’s a little bleed through in the process, resulting in the whispers. This should have been a warning, because it’s all about to go horribly wrong.
Jacob, one of the specials, get’s stuck in the experiment. He get’s spread throughout the island’s spacetime, becoming insubstantial to all but a few.
Jacob goes a bit mad and wants out. We know that spacetime is slightly flexible. If something goes wrong with the small details, it can course correct. Jacob uses this ability to play with fate and destiny to bring O815 to the island, hoping the survivors can help him. So far so good.
But the Survivors wind up in the past. The do something big. This incident was really not supposed to happen and the universe can’t course correct on its own. It needs to be fixed and the Survivors need to get back to fix it. And when they do, they then need to get Jacob out of the experiment so he can’t do any more damage.
And all this is taking place while Ben and Whidmore fight for control of the island.
Oh, and there’s this monster. And some four toed statue. And, ummm… some other stuff. I haven’t got it all worked out yet, OK?
OK, the scene where Sawyer approached the Others as they were about to kill Amy:
It looked like Sawyer got shot, and he seemed surprised that he didn’t. Then it looked like they sped the camera up while he delivered perfect rifle shots of his own to the two Others.
I thought that meant Sawyer had somehow gained the “Others Invisiblity” at that point…until Amy said “Who are you?”
Am I alone there?
I thought Juliet killed the Others…or at least one of the Others…Sawyer was surprised because he thought the gunshot came from the Others but it was Juliet’s shot.