LOST 6.4 "The Substitute"

Why can’t Aaron and Jacob be one and the same? :smiley:

:eek: Jacob was AUSTRALIAN??

Actually, if Claire stays in America and raises Aaron there in the sideways-verse he’d sound American–and it would be kind of cool…

And I don’t want to see a Penny death scene. Especially if they feel compelled to run it about four times within ten minutes. :frowning:

Money quote from Sawyer: “Well I guess I better put some pants on.”

I, too, am looking forward to finding out how Locke was paralyzed in the alternate timeline. Not only does Peg Bundy include the dad in the wedding plans, but the whole reason she dumped Locke in the original timeline is that he couldn’t let go of his anger towards his father.

And if Locke’s dad isn’t bad in the alternate timeline, that means Sawyer might not have lost his parents to his con. Maybe when he was talking to Hugo on the plane about being scammed, he was talking as a law enforcement officer or an anti-scam consultant type guy.

Based on an interview with the producers in EW or TV Guide before the season started, this episode is probably the sum total explanation we ever get about the numbers. Which, IMO, is totally and completely lame.

He is now Jacob the White.

Randy’s mention of “in October” pretty much confirms that the error on Claire’s sonogram was the month.

Well the initial timeline change was in 1977 so all number of things could have happened differently since then. In particular, Flocke implies that Jacob had a hand in changing the fate of mny of the Losties, so perhaps with Jacob gone after 1977 he never had the opportunity to screw around with the Losties…So now Locke is with Helen and has a good relationship with his Dad.

Did the kid say “Jacob” at some point? I missed that. I kind of figured he was either young Jacob or older Aaron.

Randy kept calling him “Colonel” so I’m thinking he’s a veteran and was injured while on duty.

This creates a new wrinkle though. If Ben is alive, then the island didn’t sink during the nuke explosion, but sometime after, since young Ben was still at the temple at that point and so wasn’t evacuated with the rest of the kids.

He’s the black stone, Jacob is the white. Jacob is dead, no more white stone…I also noticed, before he threw it away, the black stone was a little heavier, because he was winning?

Did he actually touch her? Maybe she was only a potential candidate.

LOL actually I thought he was a gym teacher, which is about as ironic. And then health class. But I didn’t catch the name of the textbook, perhaps that would clarify.

Well Sawyer is kind of at wit’s end with no reason not to follow Flocke around to get some answers at least. As much as he can’t be motivated to fight Flocke, though, he equally can’t be motivated to really join Flocke more than it serves his own purposes.

They had already been sort of explained in the ARG, but I agree that does no good for the people who only watch the show. Do you have a link to the interview? Context is key. We’ve certainly got a lot of info about the numbers though, even in the show. Maybe your wish for an ‘explanation’ is too vague. What specifically do you want to know?

We already know, whether in of show or out:

  1. Why the numbers were important to the Dharma Initiative
  2. Why they were important to Jacob

we know or can easily guess

  1. Why do the numbers show up in random places?

and we’re a little less certain about

  1. why are Dharma’s numbers the same as Jacob’s numbers?

Were there any other questions you had about them?

I don’t know the answers to any of those four questions. Could you post a brief explanation for each? (I pay no attention to out-of-show canon.)

I’d add a question:

  1. What supernatural power gives the numbers the ability to curse somebody who plays them in the lottery?

In the interview they said they weren’t going to come out and explain the numbers. Instead, viewers would be left to figure out the answers by inference.

Not Worst. “Weirdest”.

There have been a number of changes showing that the non-crash timeline changed long before flight 815. Ben’s new job for one.

And this Locke seems to make better choices. He’s certainly luckier than the poor schmuck in the crash-timeline.

I think Young Jacob is somehow connected to Aaron. I dunno why, but…

Also, I agree–maybe the shape that Smokey takes influences his behavior a lot.

It’s ironic that Locke, who mosts wants to stay on the island due to his paralysis, is the one who gains the most in the alternate timeline. A close second is Hurley. Now that I think about it, most everything we’ve seen so far indicates a happier alternate universe with the island under the ocean.

Except for Kate…who deserves everything that’s coming to her.

Makes me wonder if maybe Jacob and Esau aren’t BOTH evil.

Also, I don’t remember anything about Locke going to a conference in the original universe. In fact, I seem to recall him discussing the walkabout with his supervisor (who was mocking him for it). That would seem to indicate that he has a better job in the alternate timeline.

This site should give you all the screen caps you need…

However, it may not last. With Desmond more or less diappearing, I wonder if they will begin to encounter time paradoxes and vanish or fall apart(their lives I mean).

Well, help me remember. I took it that he didn’t go on the walkabout as planned, but lied and made one on his own.

Wouldn’t that be a wheelabout? :stuck_out_tongue:

I wonder if there is any significance that Jack, the nominal leader of the Losties, is the only prime number.

Probably overthinking this…

It was season one, so I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall Locke discussing the walkabout with his coworkers before he went. He wouldn’t have done that if he was supposed to be attending a conference on the company’s dime. His original timeline position also seemed to be very junior; it doesn’t seem to fit win attending international conferences.

I’m interested to see where they go with the alternate timeline. For Locke’s sake, I hope people don’t start disappearing.

I think he arranged the conference intentionally, planning on using it for the walkabout.

Also, I am wondering if the alternate timeline is a way to produce some happy endings for some characters, like Locke, who has been killed in the “original” timeline.

By the way, I think they nailed Ben Linus’ personality in the new timeline. He would totally be that guy who complains about the coffee filters and so forth if he had not been to the island.