LOST 6.4 "The Substitute"

It looked like Dogen blew ashes over Sayid when he was being interrogated. I wonder if it is for something similar?

I assumed he did that to see if he was the anti-Jacob/SM, and that he would have had some sort of reaction to the gray dust. Dogen doesn’t know that anti-Jacob has inhabited Locke’s body, right?

  1. Why the numbers were important to the Dharma Initiative

From Lostpedia:

to change the value […] as the equation continues to arrive at the same six numbers.

  1. Why they were important to Jacob

From this week’s episode, it seems Jacob made a numerical list of potential candidates to replace him, and the final six remaining have numbers which correspond with the Dharma numbers

  1. Why do the numbers show up in random places?

I’m guessing this is a combination of 1) to show that the island and/or is subtilely influencing the outside world and 2) just easter eggs for fans to look for

  1. why are Dharma’s numbers the same as Jacob’s numbers?

This one is less certain. It might never be addressed directly, but I suspect that it will be easy to infer once we learn more about Jacob’s history.

I wonder if it isn’t the other way around? That Jacob influences the lives of people, and the numbers appear as sort of a side effect of his manipulation.

I’m not sure what you mean by that. Like, why is Hurley 8 instead of 4? I suspect it’s either 1) The order in which Jacob decided they were potential candidates or 2) Jacob’s order of preference.

I wonder why Kate and Ilana, who have both been touched by Jacob, aren’t on the list (or were crossed out). And why Miles (Straume) was crossed out even though he is still alive.

True. It’s possible though, that in this timeline he’s an actual Colonel. That would be a fun little twist.

Locke is dead. Smokey only impersonated him to get access to Jacob. Locke hasn’t taken Smokey’s place. We believe the numbers were Jacob because he’s been shown to be very fond of making lists of people, and Ilana and his other flunkies were the ones always talking about “candidates”. Also, we saw Jacob visiting those people, and we saw in the Jacob-Smokey flashback that Jacob was the one interested in bringing people to the island, and Smokey disapproved.

Basically, what we know about Jacob is that he’s been searching for a special someone, but that he isn’t sure who he’s searching for: he has SOME inkling, some prophetic idea, but it’s not fully formed or clear, even to him.

And I’m not sure what Blackie means by the claim that Jacob is searching for someone to replace him. Doesn’t this imply that Jacob knows he is going to die? Why would Blackie think that Jacob expects this? (indeed, Blackie seems surprised by/dismissing of the idea that Jacob would let himself die when Ben suggests it). Why does the seemingly immortal Jacob need/want a replacement?

Were both Jacob and Blackie once mortal, as Blackie claims to have been, and, if that boy was a representation of Jacob, Jacob is as well? Are they trapped on the Island in the same way that, say, Adam and Eve will be: light and dark, opposing each other?

Note, Season 6 might be roughly following the pattern of characters focus from Season 1:

Minor spoilers from wikipedia’s list of what characters are the focus of which eps in Season 6:

(so far, it has: Jack (Jack), Kate (Kate), Locke(Locke), TBD (Jack again), TDB, but episode is called “Sundown” (Sun), Ben (Charlie), Sawyer(Sawyer)…)

When they buried Locke, there were already grave markers. Did they bury the guys who Smokey killed under the foot before getting to Locke or were those old grave markers from three years before that have held up very well?

I think they held up well.

Shephard - 23

Psalm 23 (probably the most well known) “The Lord is my shepherd…”

I’ve been wondering the same. I maintain faith that things will come together, but so far I’m a bit frustrated by how irrelevant the past five seasons appear to be to the current events. Most of the Widmore, DHARMA, and previous Others storylines seem to have squat to do with this Jacob-Smokey conflict, other than ostensibly being driven by that conflict like everything else is.

I’m certain we’ll see more of Widmore. Though, what we know of him is not necessarily enough to suggest that he’s a central plot point: he’s a bitter ex-other who was trying to get back his control of the Island… for purposes unknown. We’ll no doubt discover those purposes soon, and that will help flesh out what he was up to regardless of how big a role he ultimately plays in all this.

Nope otherwise Locke’s would have been scratched out while Kate’s and the other Kwon would not be.

However it is interesting that two of the names that were not crossed out did die. Locke who is being played by Smokey (apparently permanently) and Sayyid who no one, not even Dogan and Lennon, can figure out how he came back to life.

I think the island does not need protecting.

I think the earth needs protecting from smoky. The Island is a cage for it. It is chained down in a way. That is why we hear the sounds when it moves.

It it will escape and destroy the earth. The only saving grace is the losties in the alt time line.
They will have to rely in their destiny and Déjà vu and their past selves to put them in the position to save the earth.

Kate was not a candidate because she was either already chosen. For a different task or was FKate at sometime or is more powerful than we know. I always had a hunch someone on that plane new way more that we have ever been lead to believe.

why was Jack’s theme playing while Locke was being buried?

And I don’t see why Sawyer has any more interest in getting off the island now than when he earlier decided to skip out on the helicopter/freighter opportunity…?

Didn’t Flocke scratch out Locke’s name while he was explaining things to Sawyer?

Wait, since when was Kate’s and the other Kwon’s names scratched out? I thought we’d established that those two names do not appear on the wall at all. :confused:

Kwon was on the wall, not scratched out. Kate’s was nowhere to be seen.

However, everyone whose name WAS up there is a man - so Kwon could be Jin, meaning that women don’t show up on the list. So, maybe Sun isn’t up there either.

-Joe

I think it just means Matthew Fox is the Michael Jordan of Lost. Either that, or you are right…

What other verses match the numbers which speak to the people who possess said numbers?

I agree. It feels so regressive. Like we’ve gone back to season one. All of the stuff that is most important on Lost has been pushed aside. I doubt it is permanent, but it is getting me concerned.

I think after Juliet’s death, and one more “mystery that broke the camel’s back”, he just had a belly full.

I think it was just a matter of, “You’re getting off the island? Okay, let’s go. I’m done with this place.”

-Joe

Jack’s theme? If you’re talking about the DAAAAH-dah-DAAAAH-dah-DAH-dah_DAAAAAH-DAH-dah, that’s the all purpose sadness theme that is always used at burials.

I’ve worried about the same thing, but think about it for a second…

If someone had told you the final events of the Lost mystery involved two immortal god-like beings after you watched the first episode, would you have believed it? I’m guessing people would have thought that was the stupidest thing they’d ever heard.

Instead, that’s exactly what happened and it happened so organically that it makes perfect sense. The Lost writers really did know what they were doing.

The mention of “god-like beings” reminded me of one intriguing comment from Smokey, i.e. that before all of this started, he was a regular man. I thought that was interesting, as I’d been thinking that these dudes were some kind of exiled Egyptian gods or something.