Well…there was the one part where they gunned down Carl and Rousseau because they made the mistake of walking through the woods at the wrong place and wrong time. They blew up Claire for no very good reason.
Did they actually not attempt to kill anyone they met?
-Joe
Keamy shot a defenseless teenager in the head because he was bored. This was after he murdered her mother and boyfriend right in front of her.
So yeah, pretty evil.
To be fair, I don’t think he did it because he was bored so much as it was his way of saying, “Negotiations have ended.”
-Joe
Why does a creature that can transform into pure smoke need an airplane to get off the island, anyway?
As I’ve noted: no 815 crash ALSO means no Lostees traveling back in time. Thus no one to tell the others to bury/keep Jughead, no Locke telling Richard to visit him as a baby, no LaFLeur, no one to shoot Ben, and no one to stop the drilling at the Swan site.
My guess is that Smokie can’t just leave (and I agree that he doesn’t honestly think he’s leaving on a smashed up airplane). There’s something he needs to do to make that possible and it involves something only the Candidates can do, which is why he’s keeping them alive for now.
On the other hand, he sometimes genuinely DOES seem to want to help people to be free of Jacob and the Island. I think he sympathizes with them, because he’s been trapped there as well. He even gave Bram et al a choice to back down before killing them. He’s willing to kill anyone expendable that works against him, but it may be that he can’t leave the Island alone.
Any reason to think that he’s originally from near Tunisia, where the Island drops you out of?
I’m sure the stuff about “my mother was crazy” will turn out to be significant. I wonder if he’s someone famous from folklore or something like that. Although he also said that he’s human, which would seem to rule out the possibility of his being some kind of Egyptian god or whatever. Of course, he could also be lying about any and all of this.
Sigh.
Why does God need a starship?
He doesn’t. He hasn’t been freed yet. He doesn’t need the boat, he needs to do…something first.
-Joe
Correct me if I’m wrong, but nobody to stop a radiation leak seriously screwing up the island circa 1953, right?
-Joe
You know, this point keeps coming back up, and I don’t really understand. “Going back in time and changing the past” stories have been around forever. Just think of it like BTTF rules. In the alternate timeline, there are Lostees in the past that set off the bomb. There not from the same timeline, but they’re still there.
I suspect it involves the breaking of some sort of seal, metaphorical or literal.
Hmmm… Carthage was in Tunisia. Hannibal, maybe? Smokey *is *quite the tactician. What do we know about Hannibal’s mom?
Yeah, I had just kind of figured that the Others know that the MiB/smoke monster can take the appearance of people who have died, therefore, as soon as they know that Locke is not really Locke, they should know who he is. Dogen knew this; Richard seemed to know this. Why wouldn’t they share this knowledge among all the others? I guess the Others are just as incurious and incapable of asking questions, even among themselves, as all characters on this show are. 
Why not? Is Miles a candidate or something?
Yeah, I always assumed they were just hightening the drama by making Keamy out to be as evil as possible. He was staying true to his mission of capturing Ben, but beyond that he was a psychopath and a sadist. He just liked killing people. He even killed the freighter’s captain and doctor in furtherance of his mission, but we don’t know that Widmore would have approved of that.
Maybe he can’t travel over water in his smoke form? Prior to the Ajira plane crash, he’d never been seen on the beach, and even now he has only been seen on the beach in his human form.
Ha! I was calling her Lost Liz Lemon.
No, it’s just that Team Widmore and Team Ilana (who we know was sent by Jacob personally) are at cross-purposes.
It does seem like that’s the only explanation that makes sense: from the POV of the LA X folks, the Losties from the “crash” timeline did appear in 1977 and set in motion events leading to the bomb, which caused the creation of the new timeline where the plane doesn’t crash. It doesn’t matter that the characters in that new timeline never go back and set the bomb off. They’re actually free to do whatever they want – freed by the actions of their other selves from the “crash” timeline.
The only other possible result from the bomb would have been if Faraday’s original “whatever happened, happened” theory had been true. In that case, changing the past would have been impossible, and the bomb going off would have always been the original “incident” that eventually caused the 815 crash. It would all be a recursive loop, and the LA-X timeline wouldn’t even exist. Because the LA-X timeline does exist, we know Daniel’s original theory was wrong, as he eventually concluded before unfortunately getting ventilated by his mom.
Yet even that conclusion brings up more questions, because we’ve now seen a few things in the LA-X timeline that don’t seem to match the events we saw in 1977: Ben’s dad acting like his decision to leave Dharma was his own choice being one of them. If “Dr. Linus” was not, as has been discussed, the same Ben who was shot by Sayid in 1977, then clearly we’re not seeing the timeline split off by the bomb at all, but a possible third timeline that has not, from our point of view, even been created yet. In which case we’re aproaching almost Primer-levels of confusion and we really need an “I’m going batshit thinking about all this” smiley ASAP.
Yep, sigh. He could be lying to Kate.
Still, if he’s not, why couldn’t Smokie/Locke be Daniel Faraday? HIS mom was crazy enough to strip him from the piano into mathematics so he could return to the island as an adult and be killed, all while she was pregnant with him in the 1977 flashback.
Maybe he just wants to play a sonata. 
Yeah, I’m thinking only the higher ups really knew anything. Just like no one had really met Jacob before. I don’t think Ben even had any idea that the Smoke Monster was a person.
Dogen seemed to be the only one who realized the whole deal behind MIB becoming dead people. Even after Richard saw Locke’s real body, he didn’t know who Locke was until he mentioned the chains.
I recognized her as the bubbly chick from Singles. Weird how some actors / roles stick with you.
Not really about this ep, but a couple of Lost-related things I found:
The true story of Sawyer’s eye exam.
