True.
Oh, my name and alignment match.
Meeko, please don’t use cutesy nicknames for everyone. Nobody else has any idea who Regrettable, Quick Change, or Bull Chit are, so using names like that doesn’t do anything but confuse people. Yes, I know that peekercpa uses nicknames, but it annoys and confuses people when he does it, too. He actually is a pretty good Mafia player, but that’s in spite of, not because of, his quirks. It looks to me like you’re trying to learn to play Mafia by finding what everyone’s bad habits are, and then picking all of the worst traits from everyone to emulate.
And I’m still not convinced that mass name-claiming is a good idea, but I suppose there’s no harm in confirming that my character name appears to match my alignment.
I’m a little leery of using “obscure name” as a grounds for suspicion, though, since Mahaloth might have a different idea of which names are obscure, or might have deliberately thrown in obscure names, either because they’re sufficiently interesting, or specifically to throw off a tactic like this. And remember too that the Scum won’t necessarily be the first to claim: They can just take names that nobody else has taken yet, if they’re towards the end, and thereby improve their odds.
Reposting here, because I feel it got burried.
We are talking name claiming. And given that I’m the leading player in the vote count. I don’t see anything that I have anything to lose here.
You are James “Sawyer” Ford(usually called Sawyer).
**You are a Survivor, this game’s version of Town. **
Given what I have read on the LOSTpedia, I would say that this matches. Later season stuff like time travel not withstanding.
Given that Sawyer goes on A-Missions, I think this is a case where my role and alignment match up with the show. As I stated earlier.
Chronos, I did use nicknames in Crimson (Kangaroo Jr anyone?).
Oh, and when I saw Sawyer uses nicknames too, well, I knew that would probably mean I would be nicknaming people.
I just hoped it wouldn’t be day one.
I am not quoting the rest, as I want to make a single comment on this paragraph here.
I am not sure, but I think there a choir of Angels singing here. I think I am on a verge of a Mafia breaktrhough.
Telcontar, you say this game is NOT about me. That I am paranoid, and I am hoping that anyone else, ANYONE else gets lynched instead of me.
This is what I do not get about this game:
You mean to tell me, that it is in my best interest to take my lumps here, and die?
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I don’t understand. I want to PLAY this game. I do not want to spectate .[I mean this for ALL of my Mafia Games, at ALL times, the current vote count, notwithstanding.] But, The moment I get to experience how I want to play, I get told I can’t play. Either Meeko is playing, or he isn’t.
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You somehow take issue with the fact that I am paranoid upon my impending death. Well, yeah. It means a Month or so of not playing Mafia. For a gamer, who would willingly want to stop playing a game, if it is still going on ? I want to play as long as possible, I thought we were all like that. You mean to tell me Mafia is not best suited by this thinking?
The issue I still have with this game, is that one player is NEVER free to play his best game. Everyone has to satisfice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisficing and more or less get on board with the lowest common town denominator, if they are Town. This means that best / perfect play is NEVER possible for town, in any Mafia game.
This is what gets me. I given the illusion of freedom. The moment I exercise it, BOOM! another landmine.
Truly, how much freedom does Town have in a Mafia game? Can specialization truly exist in this game? Chronos tries it with his math (More power to him, I suck at math.) but he still pings people when he does it.
At a given point in time, if we can not PLAY* this game, there is no reason to attempt it.
*by Play, I mean, we through the “work” of the game to the side for the time being. We are not machines, we can not knock out an algorithm of black and white. I would like to think that Mafia is a tad gray.
After all, that is why we play Mafia, why Mafia even can exist as a game.
There is gray here, exploiting it, anyway we can, whenever we can, however we can, is good for Town.
Note to self:
Preview is your friend, try posting while intoxicated, it might help your grammar.
UGH. Hopefully you guys understand the words above. It is beyong my hope asking that you understand what I truly mean to say.
I think that really gets to the heart of the issue that you and others are having. It’s something that is fundamental to Mafia as a game.
If you are Town, you should not fear death.
That’s not to say you shouldn’t fight it, because of course you should. But death isn’t the end of the world. You win regardless of whether you die first, last, in between or never as long as Town does. Especially if you are vanilla Town, as you seem to be claiming, then your goal is to make sure that your life and eventual death provides as much information to the Town as is possible.
This is not Haggle. You do not win as an individual. (Unless you’re a PFK/Third Party, but we won’t get into that here.) You win as a member of a team, and if your death helps your team win, then your death is a good thing.
I really don’t think Meeko is scum either. I mean, if we lynch him, it will certainly be satisfying (Bull Chit, really? That hurts my feelings, Meeko.), but I don’t think it’s going to advance the ball at all. Unless we’re saying we’re OK with lynching our nose to spite our, um, nose, by lynching a probable town just because he’s being disruptive.
I really think the best thing for town to do at this point is agree – all of us – that we’re just not going to talk about Meeko qua Meeko. Is that all right with you, Meeko? If we all agree that the only thing we’re going to talk about in this game is actual game-related substantive posts, and not the people behind the posts, or our histories, or our feelings? Can we agree on that?
Meanwhile, Pedescribe, for what it’s worth, my vote isn’t based on an assumption about your experience level. I just think that the most notable thing that’s happened thus far is your two-step; nothing more or less than that.
Yeesh, I really thought I’d be more available this weekend. I’ll catch up tonight, post tomorrow morning. Sorry, all.
However, quick observation:
Five people are voting for Meeko right now. Regardless of Meeko’s alignment, I consider it cold-stone certain that one of the five is Scum. if he’s Town - and on the basis of his claim I think he very probably is - Meeko is a wonderful trap for Scum, because he draws a lot of attention and probably appears to be an “easy lynch” for the opportunistic. It is nearly certain that at least one, and possibly more than one, of the Others failed to resist being opportunistic in this way.
This is essentially a useless statement right now (pick any five players at random and one of them is probably Scum), but as the game goes by and alignments are revealed by death or by other means, it may becoem considerably more useful.
I wondered if it wasn’t your real name here, Jim. It was an easy nickname, granted. Outside of THIS Mafia game I am not sure I would call you that.
This might be a case where I am playing true to form. Even if it is Bad form.
My Latin is off , " qua " ?
I would like the spotlight off of me, I think any player would want that, doubly so for the player with the leading vote count.
I would like Unvotes, but beyond the first (personal) unvote, there is not much one person can do here to motivate other players.
After consulting Storyteller’s list, I think mine match.
By my count that makes 10 1/2 alignment to name matches. The 6 AllWalker counted, you, Imaginary Fiend (338), Telcontar (341), Chronos (342), and 1/2 for Cardinal Fang (125). That, combined with Mahaloth’s statement that
has me pretty well convinced that names and alignments are well-correlated.
BTW, I’d also say it’s by now way too late in the Day to do a mass name claim, and a partial name claim would only help scum, so whatever we decide should wait until toMorrow.
I agree. We will also have the benefit of having a confirmation of name and side which is better the people claiming.
I am thinking that Meeko really is a townie who is simply playing bad. I really don’t like his misquote, especially now that he is saying that he didn’t click the link so he really is skimming and misquoting. I am no unvoting though because I don’t have anywhere else to go and I don’t think that Pede deserves to be up for lynch through whatever tie mechanism that Mahaloth has in place.
I’m going to keep my vote here until it either becomes irreverent or I find better scum. I think the Day ends tomorrow at noon so I’ve got a little time.
This is longish, but I think it is needed.
I had a post, and I closed it on accident.
Let me restate what I had:
On the level of how the game is Built, I understand that all of town wins, if only just one townie wins.
On the level of how the game Works, I fail to grasp the same concept. In my opinion, “Town wins if only one townie wins” needs to closely follow, or be followed by perfect information on who is town. (That is, Town needs to be able to confirm all townies in order for the “Town wins even if just one townie wins” to truly work. )
Only after we (town) can work where each of us will maximize our potential, and as needed, die, (Given NK’s are a fact of Mafia) can the game truly work as advertised. This is never going to happen as neatly as it needs to happen. (We wouldn’t have much of a game to play, if it did.)
The … insurance, the … safety net that “Town wins even if just one townie survives” seems to provide, appears hollow to me. It IS a consolation, and I am guessing, more often than not, it is the exact win condition that Town ends up winning with. However, there is some… accepted value here, with this rule, for town, that I simply cannot valuate personally.
Ed told me, in the Crimson Glyph masonry, that I did not have to fear death.
I would be lying if I told you all that I truly comprehend all that, that means. I know the way I play. I know that I can never have all of my ideas ready to go at a moment’s notice. Hell, even in these posts, recently, typos have infested what I mean to say. Beyond that, I truly feel most people don’t understand me at all. For better, or worse.
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It is not if you win or lose, but how you play the game.
I am sure we all know this expression. I am sure, in most games we would like to think we subscribe to it.
I don’t know how to work that expression into Mafia.
Speaking on odds alone, townies will get lynched early on. They didn’t have that much play in the game at all, yet, they can still win. In my opinion, this short changes the above expression.
Ironically, I am getting my ass handed to me, given how I am playing. Yet, when you consider the number of posts, I AM playing this game. It would seem that my activity hangs me. The best option for me is to NOT play. This also short changes the expression.
Hopefully I am getting across here. Hopefully with this, and my other, recent post, you guys can understand why I play.
I think a key issue here, is that this “game” is closer to work for me, than play.
Regardless, I still think I have a place in Mafia. I’m not going to be (lets face it) a different game player over night, or over two weeks.
Frankly, and when my death does come, you guys will understand this:
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I need to play a game as scum, to truly evaluate Mafia in total. **
As I have been Town for the second time, my first and this the second game, perhaps Mafia feels at a distance from me, because, I do not, obviously had a chance to play with all the pieces.
Town always has an uphill battle, that is the ““game”” here. I don’t think anyone can disagree with that. If I can find the fourth corner (Playing as scum) I feel I can begin to box in can contain Mafia.
Hopefully, that square box will help me find what I truly enjoy about this game, and in fact let me TRULY play the game I want to play.
The box could be rectangular, and that would be ok as well.
However, as of right now, I have no idea where the fourth corner is, so I have no real idea on ALL that mafia is.
I like Mafia. I know I can improve. I know there is a LOT I have yet to know about the game.
I only hope that I am given adequate time to find where I, and everything that is mafia, are located, in relation to each other.
Not here, not now. I am still lost to most of this.
So I’ll take that as a “No thanks” on the not making the game about yourself, then.
Tom, should I claim?
Well, I would say that name-claiming is a valid tactic for a townie who finds himself at threat of lynching, yes.
Last I checked, you aren’t leading the vote count.
I am not going to play the game as if I was in a different position, given where I am.
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THAT would be scummy, to deny where you are in a game, and play opposite it. **