Here is my question:
Scum had to have voted for Shadowfacts. Correct?
Is there any particular reason you’ve suddenly decided to start sowing distrust of our vigilante and his choices? **Meeko’s **a spaz, but he doesn’t strike me as stupid or crazy.
Jimmy unvoted Shadow in 1443, voted Pede in 1451, and revoted Shadow later that page.
Telcontar voted for Shadow somewhere around 1440.
Therefore, all 10 Living players voted for Shadow. Ergo, Scum cast their final votes for Shadow. QED, Amen, Selah.
I believe you quoted my reason. I believe it was perfectly clear.
Thank you ?!
Scum cast their final votes for shadow
Shadow cast his final vote for story
therefore
shadow wasn’t scum
QED
More seriously:
Yes, the scum cast their final votes for shadow. The real question is when. The scum had competing impulses to save shadow and to not be seen to save shadow. Not sure if that means the first or the last to vote for shadow are most suspicious.
I have no idea. I have no idea what he did. The problem with looking for breadcrumbs is that if you’re wrong, you’re fucked. If AllWalker knew for sure that I and Chronos were Town, he could have come out and said, “hey, guys, Chronos and story are Town.” He didn’t. He was still playing the game, and couldn’t be expected to consider his power in every post he made.
Hell, I claimed Day Three. Suppose I hadn’t and had died Night Three. You’d have all combed through my post looking for breadcrumbs and sooner or later, someone would have looked real close at some post I made where I said so-and-so seemed Scummy to me (or whatever) and decided it was my breadcrumb. But I never got any results at all.
I’m not saying to ignore Allwalker’s post - not at all. I am saying that it cannot be considered confirmation of anything. It’s a data point, same as all the other data points, and I don’t agree that we should let a piece of information that might be meaningless dominate the rest of our approach to the game.
That will make for interesting scum board reading, after scum lose the game.
So what we need is an ordered list of posts containing each vote and unvote.
I’m sure he meant it kindly.
Personally I’m as comfortable with you having that power as i would be with anyone else; it’s not like any of us have a great record this game and your guesses going forward are probably at least as good as anyone else’s.
Gotcha. I think saying we shouldn’t presume, shouldn’t consider Chronos as even probably town is a bit of a stretch, is all.
I am of the school of thought, that as “” Vote Switching “” is a tactic that Scum use often right before they win a game, a similar situation was seen here.
In Crimson, the three scum changed up their votes to lynch me at the end of the day, in quick succession.
WIFOM : I believe that scum “Did the Math” and all decided to vote off Shadow. I am willing to bet further, this came late in the day [That is, In Game] and they got over here, late to the party.
**
So, I think scum changed votes at the end here. **
Still waiting for an answer here, Story.
Uh… because you make the game more fun?
Were you expecting a more complicated answer?
Not at all, I just, wasn’t sure what you meant here.
- Thanks
OR
- I take that to mean that you moved me one or two steps closer to peekerocity.
I counted my vote list, and realized I’m one player short:
pedescribe voted for Shadow in 1426, then unvoted for him in 1427.
I could just copy-paste this from the notes I’ve been taking, but not until fairly late this evening, as they’re on my home computer and I’ll be working somewhat late today. If nobody else has done it by then, I will.
And storyteller, no offense, but AllWalker’s presumed breadcrumb is the only real evidence for your innocence, too. The name you claimed is an ambiguous one, and of course your unsuccessful investigations unfortunately don’t prove anything. We can conclude that you have some active power-role, from the fact that you knew you were blocked, but that could just as easily be a Scum power role as a Town one. I do think that the presumed breadcrumb is a good enough reason to trust you, but if we throw that out, then all bets are off.
Well, it was nice to wake up to success for a change!
I’m going to the beach for the weekend starting tomorrow morning. So I’ll be gone for most of the Night and the weekend, but nothing much seems to happen during those times anyway.
Huh. So I didn’t screw everyone over.
Well, that’s a plus.
OK, vote history from the previous Day:
Meeko votes Scuba
Scuba_Ben claims Charlie Pace, vanilla; votes pede, not yet vote leader, disappeared yesterday; fingers cardinal_fang for lack of posts
Chronos fingers ShadowFacts for distrust of storyteller
Chronos votes ShadowFacts for befuddling Town
Telcontar suspects pedescribe
Meeko unvotes Scuba, votes pede
Meeko unvotes pede, votes Chronos for anti-Town question
USCDiver votes pede, most suspicious of him, not confirmed
Meeko unvotes Chronos, votes pede, misunderstood question
Telcontar votes pede, see previous posts
Telcontar votes for mod kill of pede
Chronos votes for mod kill of pede
Jimmy Chitwood votes for mod kill of pede
Chronos votes pede for inconsistency with storyteller
Scuba_Ben unvotes pede, tentatively trusts claim, votes Jimmy
storyteller votes ShadowFacts on possibility that pede’s block stopped Night-kill
Scuba_Ben unvotes Jimmy, votes ShadowFacts based on storyteller’s case
ShadowFacts claims to have been protected, not blocked, Night 2, votes pedescribe
Scuba_Ben unvotes ShadowFacts, on possibility that there’s a doctor after all
Chronos unvotes pede, (re)-votes Shadow, hadn’t considered possibility of Town and Scum blockers
ShadowFacts votes storyteller, on improbability of having two Detectives
Zeriel votes ShadowFacts, can’t be proven Town, only proven Scum
Jimmy Chitwood says a mass-claim might put him in jeopardy, but still supports idea
Meeko unvotes pede
USCDiver unvotes pede, votes ShadowFacts for ignoring AllWalker’s breadcrumb
Meeko votes Shadow
Jimmy Chitwood votes ShadowFacts
Scuba_Ben votes ShadowFacts
cardinal_fang votes ShadowFacts based on questioning breadcrumbs, presumed role-block, weak defense
pedescribe votes ShadowFacts based on lack of death when blocked
pedescribe unvotes ShadowFacts based on claim to have been protected, posts full role PM
Telcontar unvotes pede based on role PM
Telcontar votes ShadowFacts based on response to story/pede and arguments against Chronos
Jimmy unvotes ShadowFacts based on protection message
Jimmy Chitwood votes pedescribe
Jimmy Chitwood unvotes pede, votes ShadowFacts, based on Chronos’ defense of pede
ShadowFacts makes farewell post, confession
End of Day 4; ShadowFacts (Ethan Rom, Other) dead
The same, but with other notable events included as well (mostly claims):
Meeko votes Scuba
Jimmy Chitwood thinks AllWalker might have breadcrumbed Chronos and storyteller as Town
storyteller claims no investigation result on ShadowFacts
Scuba_Ben claims Charlie Pace, vanilla; votes pede, not yet vote leader, disappeared yesterday; fingers cardinal_fang for lack of posts
storyteller continues recap of Day 1, suspects pede
Scuba is confident that Meeko is not a killer
Chronos scans AllWalker’s posts for breadcrumbs
Chronos fingers ShadowFacts for distrust of storyteller
Chronos contemplates game balance, number of Scum, suggests full claim of names and roles
Chronos modifies code again
Jimmy Chitwood supports claim
Chronos votes ShadowFacts for befuddling Town
Jimmy Chitwood finds statements by Chronos and storyteller that AllWalker might have investigated
Telcontar suspects pedescribe
Meeko claims Vig
Meeko unvotes Scuba, votes pede
Chronos asks Meeko about how many he can kill per Night
Meeko unvotes pede, votes Chronos for anti-Town question
USCDiver votes pede, most suspicious of him, not confirmed
Meeko unvotes Chronos, votes pede, misunderstood question
Telcontar votes pede, see previous posts
Telcontar votes for mod kill of pede
Chronos votes for mod kill of pede
Jimmy Chitwood votes for mod kill of pede
pedescribe shows up
pedescribe claims Jack (roleblocker), claims to have hit storyteller Night 1, Shadow Night 2, nobody Night 3
Chronos votes pede for inconsistency with storyteller
pede edits
Scuba_Ben unvotes pede, tentatively trusts claim, votes Jimmy
storyteller votes ShadowFacts on possibility that pede’s block stopped Night-kill
Scuba_Ben unvotes Jimmy, votes ShadowFacts based on storyteller’s case
ShadowFacts claims to have been protected, not blocked, Night 2, votes pedescribe
Scuba_Ben unvotes ShadowFacts, on possibility that there’s a doctor after all
Scuba_Ben suggests that maybe pede combines protection with blocking
storyteller considers pede might be paranoid Doc, claims that he got protection message Night 1 (but not 2 or 3)
Chronos unvotes pede, (re)-votes Shadow, hadn’t considered possibility of Town and Scum blockers
Chronos suggests that Night 2 no-kill might be from paranoid doc protecting Shadow
ShadowFacts votes storyteller, on improbability of having two Detectives
Zeriel votes ShadowFacts, can’t be proven Town, only proven Scum
storyteller re-suggests mass-claim
Jimmy Chitwood says a mass-claim might put him in jeopardy, but still supports idea
Telcontar claims Ana Lucia Cortez
Meeko unvotes pede
Jimmy claims Rose Nadler
Zeriel claims Mr. Eko, vanilla
USCDiver unvotes pede, votes ShadowFacts for ignoring AllWalker’s breadcrumb
Meeko votes Shadow
Jimmy claims vanilla
ShadowFacts claims Boone, vanilla
USCDiver claims Daniel Faraday, vanilla, posts later-season role PM
cardinal_fang claims Claire Littleton, vanilla
Jimmy Chitwood votes ShadowFacts
Scuba_Ben votes ShadowFacts
cardinal_fang votes ShadowFacts based on questioning breadcrumbs, presumed role-block, weak defense
pedescribe votes ShadowFacts based on lack of death when blocked
pedescribe unvotes ShadowFacts based on claim to have been protected, posts full role PM
Telcontar unvotes pede based on role PM
Jimmy Chitwood finds pede, Shadow, storyteller, and Telcontar all suspicious
Telcontar votes ShadowFacts based on response to story/pede and arguments against Chronos
Jimmy unvotes ShadowFacts based on protection message
storyteller starts summary of Day 2
storyteller finishes Day 2 summary
Jimmy Chitwood votes pedescribe
Jimmy Chitwood unvotes pede, votes ShadowFacts, based on Chronos’ defense of pede
ShadowFacts makes farewell post, confession
End of Day 4; ShadowFacts (Ethan Rom, Other) dead