I wouldn’t consider that scummy; I’d consider it cheating. If somebody lies in a role claim or the like, I’ll lynch them for it this game, but I’d have no problem with that person in the next: That’s all part of the game. If somebody lies about RL difficulties interfering with the game, though, I wouldn’t want to play another game with that person.
Quoth Ichini:
On the other hand, only one Town power role was revealed there, and it was about time for him to claim anyway, so the Scum didn’t really gain any extra information from it being a mass claim. If instead there had been multiple Town power roles remaining at that point, then it would have been better for them to all claim at once, since the Scum can only kill one at a time anyway. Mass claiming didn’t save the Town (honestly, at that point in the game, I don’t think anything could have), but I don’t think it hurt us, either.
Of course, that was not at all analogous to the situation we’re in now: While mass-claiming can be a valid endgame tactic, we’re obviously pretty far from endgame here.
Yes. In the T2 game, the players took advantage of a flaw in the moderator’s setup to ensure them the win by mass claiming Day 2. However, the flaw came from the game being an open set-up, which this one is not.
No third parties is to both town and scum’s advantage. As for the numbers, there seem to be two schools of thought on game balance: Some say that the Scum should be about 1/4 of the players, while others say that the number of Scum should be about the square root of the number of players. With 17 players, though, that’s 4 scum either way.
And for editing, I’m not very suspicious of a long post that’s edited, but I would be of a short post that’s edited. As I understand it, there have been in the past a few cases of a Scum accidentally posting something intended for the scum board on the main board instead, which of course made them easy lynch targets. A Scum who noticed that might replace the post with some quick, brief comment, but with only a five-minute edit window, I don’t think that that Scum would attempt to write a long post to replace it (too much risk of hitting the time limit).
Lot of discussion already, I see this is a game where my usual “check and post twice a day or so” is gonna be a lot of fun.
I’m absolutely indifferent to a mass name claim–I don’t know enough about LOST to glean any info from the claim’s alignment, and I don’t know enough about Mahaloth to know what countermeasures to a mass claim he put in. Tactic is of unknown value, therefore–indifference.
Lynch the lurker, on the other hand…it’s more valuable as a threat than as a scum-finding device.
On bad proposed strategies: I say it every game, but the act of proposing an idea is pretty much almost never anti-town. Pushing a proposal when it’s been proven bad or wrong can be, certainly, but we should never confuse malice with mere bad planning.
Again I have no real clue to base this on anything, except for what parts of LOST I know about – which again, is here and there, perhaps 5 minutes of the actual show, various jokes about the show on other shows, and commercials. [Thank you G4, I know that LOST on Blu Ray is coming out next week. You can stop advertising it now.]
The show… for the majority of the seasons so far… has the characters split into three factions. The Survivors of Flight 815, The Others (who are apparently native to the island), and the Dharma Initiative. I think there are only town and scum in this game, so I doubt there is a Dharma Initiative here.
If you want more general info on Lost I would happy to discuss it elsewhere, but don’t want to post too much here and spoil unwilling peoples.
Once again, everyone posts 100 times while I sleep. Now I need to catch up…
Random votes = bad
As has already been explained it tell us nothing.
LtL = bad
It is usually difficult to spot the difference between tactical lurking and genuine non-participation in Day 1. If we can, we should lynch the deliberate lurkers. I would not expect t do this.
Mass Role Claim = bad
Apparently this has been used to great effect in previous games, but I don’t think the set-up was like this. At the end of the day it tells the Scum more than it tells the Town
Mass Name Claim = mostly bad
There is a chance we would see a double-up of the names. This would be good for Town, as one of them would be Scum. However, since there is probably a character named Jack who is likely to be a Town Doctor I don’t see this as a good idea for Town. At least not yet.
(FTR, I think my name and alignment coincide, but it is hard to tell).
Bad ideas = not a Scum tell
We can’t afford to think that bad ideas are Scummy. We need ideas, we need discussion, we need debates and arguments. We need thinking that is outside the box. These help us.
Editing = bad
There is no harm in simply adding an extra NETA: post. It wont kill you, everyone will get what you mean, etc etc. I wont vote based solely on someone editing their posts, but it may factor in to my decision. Frankly I see no proTown reasons to edit, while a few proScum reasons to.
It seems that most people are against a mass claim either or names or total information, at least at this point in the game. I think we’ve had some interesting discussion about it but since we are coming up on the start of Day 1 and I haven’t seen any obvious slips how about another idea?
We need to discuss voting. Since it looks like the Day will be happening over weekends it is likely that we will lose a lot of discussion time. In order to insure that we have our thoughts on the table in advance and we aren’t thrown into a bind with last minute changes on Monday and Tuesday let’s vote place multiple votes every time.
What I’m thinking might be a good idea would be placing your official vote and then your number two and three candidates in order below that with reasons for each one. When this has been forced by the mods in the past it was hard to come up with reasons for lower numbered people early in the game but I think that with only three good days of communication per Day we need to force ourselves to put as much out there as possible.
This might be a good idea, but it’s not without its downsides, too: First, it gives Scum a very good idea of who’s most and least trusted in the Town, which lets them know whom they’ll have to Night-kill and whom they might be able to get lynched. Second, if the Scum are putting down a list of names like this, then it provides a low-accountability way to switch from voting for one of the people on their list to another. On the other hand, it does certainly get more discussion and ideas flowing. I lack the experience to say whether the advantages outweigh the disadvantages: How well has this worked out in the past? Is it better than everyone just calling it like they see it?
[QUOTE=Oredigger77;11237069What I’m thinking might be a good idea would be placing your official vote and then your number two and three candidates in order below that with reasons for each one. When this has been forced by the mods in the past it was hard to come up with reasons for lower numbered people early in the game but I think that with only three good days of communication per Day we need to force ourselves to put as much out there as possible.[/QUOTE]
This could end up being very anti town. The mafia are always looking for safe and successful bandwagons. This would give them almost ideal information about where people would jump, what reasons they might find persuasive, etc. For example, if your first choice is the lynch of mafia A but you’re teetering between that and villager B then the mafia know to push for villager B. OTOH, I’ve never seen this implemented so if someone’s experience says otherwise I’m open to the idea, but I’m skeptical.
Also, on the name claim, it seems like only Nanook and I have any enthusiasm for it, with every other reaction from indifference to outright hostility. So I’m not inclined to push for it. Especially since people with LOST familiarity seem to think that the Doctor role, at least, will be dead obvious from the names.
One thing I had in mind, but didn’t actually write out, was that maybe the power roles would be as ambiguous as the alignments.
I don’t remember which game it was that we were forced to vote that way but it was on this board. There really wasn’t a downside besides making it hard to come up with reasons for all of the people so several times votes just listed names.
I admit that there is a very real potential for manipulation by the scum but if we only have two real days to discuss what’s going on and who to vote for we’re going to be in trouble if we only put out and discuss one name at a time. Say player A has several votes on them over the weekend but they like to fish and so are away from the internet they come back on Monday and role claim. Everyone decided to switch their votes we now the new candidate only has one day to acquire votes and defend themselves. At least if we put multiple names Player B could already be working on their defense if they see they are number two on Monday.