Mad-Men: 4.13 "Tomorrowland", SEASON FINALE, (open spoilers)

And if she does, he’ll be like every other old goat (read up on Jerry Lewis for a classic example) who’s done the same - walk around all puffed up with his virility and proclaim “THIS time, I’m gonna raise the kid RIGHT”. And proceed to spoil it to death!

I can’t actually see Roger caring one way or the other. But Jane would be smart to have a kid, she would be guaranteed a comfy child support income until it’s 21, if Roger gets bored and decides to trade her in for an even younger model, or more likely she catches him fooling around on her.

I can’t see Don trying to get custody of his kids. At all. Unless Betty does something utterly horrendous. I’m glad he seems to be paying more attention to them this season. I wonder if they’ll jump ahead a few years, before the show ends, so we can see Sally run off to San Francisco to live with hippies.

They didn’t stop him from canoodling with Jane :wink:

I was wondering if we might see a big jump between this season and the next. It would certainly shake the show up quite a bit.

But they’re limited by the age of the girl who plays Sally. Don’s son they could just recast; I don’t even know what his name is.

But yeah, a glimpse into the future of these characters before the series ends would be a lot of fun. It’s so difficult for me to imagine them into the 70’s and 80’s. Sally is the same age as my father, and even that is hard for me to wrap my head around.

Re: Henry and whether Betty’s personal life soils his political ambitions . . .
So, he’s essentially angling to be a campaign manager, right? Did anyone then care about campaign managers’ personal lives? No one today certainly does . . . maybe if a republican candidate had a gay manager or something, or if any candidate had a manager convicted of child molestation, but other than that, I can’t see anyone caring. Even though divorce was much bigger thing then than it is now, would anyone care if a senatorial candidate had a divorced campaign manager?

Also, is Peggy really so unique in being a female copywriter in 1965? Jo Foxworth wrote copy for McCann in 1955, and I think Don Draper is rumored to be modeled after Draper Daniels, who married a female copywriter in his firm.

Nobody has ever said she’s unique. However, women constituted a tiny percentage of advertising professionals of any sort throughout the 60s and well after.

I mean, there have been female doctors IN EXISTENCE as early as the late 1800’s. Still a huge rarity a hundred years later, as my mom graduated in the early 1980’s and was one of only three women in her class. Same deal for Peggy.

Peggy was unsure in her new job, told by Joan that she should get on the pill on her first day of work, insulted by Pete and then Pete shows up at her apartment. Maybe not manipulation, but she probably looks back on taht as a dark experience and questions why she did it. By the time she gets preggers he’s been hot and cold to her for months.

Just watched it, as we are ‘on demand’ viewers, don’t have cable…

Anyway, a ‘meh’ for me. They don’t have to wow me with a cliff hanger. Really last season wasn’t even a cliff hanger, just a reset button. Nothing surprised me at all, no revelations, but maybe it fits with the whole “you only like beginnings” or “life just goes on” things from the peripheral romantic interests.

Really, is Joan keeping the baby a surprise? They weren’t coy about it, it even seems that she had been wearing a lot of clothing that hides the waistline the last few episodes.

A marriage proposal? Sudden, but anyone who thought Faye was the one wasn’t watching the same series I’ve been. Frankly, I don’t understand the character at all… seemed rushed and forced, and I never got the hang of her motives. Maybe set up as a contrast for Megan, they couldn’t be more different.

I’m glad Peggy got set up for next season, and I really appreciate the Cosgrove comments here. I hadn’t thought of it exactly, but yeah, he seems like the barometer for ‘normal’ we are missing with the other characters in the show. However, I’m not feeling a pressing reason to remember it comes back next summer this time.

By the time she realizes she’s pregnant, maybe. She got pregnant within twelve hours of meeting Pete.

Anyway, I never saw any reason to give her a pass for engaging in the same sort of shenanigans as everyone else. She’s certainly not worse behaved but she’s not a saint either. It was her superior attitude towards everyone else’s dalliances that put me off to her in Season 1 and making a stupid choice your first day at work isn’t an excuse.

How was it a reset button? Nothing was restored to the base condition.

I thought she got pregnant the time they had sex in his office, when he rips her blouse. Too many seasons to keep track of!

No, she had already gained significant weight by that time, I think.

I picture the next season opening with Joan, her hair in a pageboy, holding a baby girl in the office while everybody oohs and ahhs how beautiful the baby, Anna, is. When they’ve finished she hands the baby back to its parents, Don and Meghan, and a picture of her own 2 year old is seen in the background and the year’s identified as 1968.

It might be too late for this, but so far as I can tell, the correct spelling is Megan Calvet.

He wasn’t just staring off into space. In a couple episodes now, we’ve seen a woman in the next building over, painting in front of her window and making eyes at Don when she catches his gaze. When the camera followed Don’s gaze in the last scene, it panned out the window and briefly showed her apartment with the easel set up. Maybe she’ll come into his life in some way next season, maybe it’s a sign that Midge will play a larger role.

Oh, you mean it isn’t Meaghan, Meghan, or any of the other ways I’ve seen her name spelled?

The “Calvet” is new, but it’s amazing how many people still get her first name wrong.

Thank you!

Note to one and all: It’s Megan. Not Meghan. This has been pointed out in previous threads.

A very interesting episode. Yeah, a lot of “what the???” stuff. Especially the sudden proposal. Apparently I wasn’t the only doper who first thought it was a dream sequence. I was thinking it might be Megan’s dream until Don pulled out the ring. So it had to be Don’s dream. Except it wasn’t.

Didn’t have the same “season finale” feel as last season’s, but great none-the-less.

Lot’s of little great moments. Peggy and Joan having cigarettes together. Don and Megan’s first bed conversation. Glenn talking back to Betty. Etc.

The top for me was the look on Peggy’s face when she saw Don and Megan being congratulated. Made her whole “feelings for Don thing” clearer than the episode where she worked all evening for him and missed her boyfriend’s dinner with her family, and in just one look.

The Betty story arc was interesting. A fight with Henry. Laying on Sally’s bed (reinforcing the Betty as a child imagery). Touching up her makeup while waiting for Don to show up, and pretending like she didn’t know he wasn’t going to be there. She now knows that staying with Don would have been better than running off with Henry. Even if it wasn’t going to be an ideal marriage. Starting to have a little concept of realistic expectations.

If Betty and Henry are kaput, than Don getting the kids is a lot more likely. She may not even want to keep the kids without Carla around to raise them and if she’s single.

Like AuntiePam, I was dreading that something horrible was going to happen to one of the kids while Don and Megan were in bed.

I had assumed that the woman Don confessed his background to would be The Woman. But he only half confessed to Faye, and not all to Megan. So he’s not there yet.

And regarding Faye: She doesn’t know who Don is (i.e., Dick Whitman), she just knows that he isn’t really Don Draper. She can of course use this against them. The two extremes are:

  1. Going nuclear. Let all of Madison Avenue know about this. Try to kill Don’s career.

  2. A surgical strike. Just tell Megan in order to ruin the engagement. Perhaps even an anonymous tip so that it’s not traced back to her and she would try to get Don back.

  3. Tell Opal.

But having Faye’s dad exact a physical revenge fits in more with why Faye’s back story was filled in this way.

(And I’m still rooting for Phoebe, BTW. I know, I know.)

Robert Morse is still listed in the opening credits, even though Bert has quit. But that’s pretty standard. I keep thinking back to last year’s finale when Bert warned Roger about what happens to men like them when they retire. 6 months (?) later and (finger falling over). So we can expect a funeral for Bert next season, or to be referred to as having taken place when they come back.

Zosia Mamet, Joyce, is also appearing lately on “Parenthood”, but as a high schooler. I don’t think so. (She’s the daughter of David Mamet and granddaughter of Russel “Sound of Music” Crouse. Interesting lineage.)

Flubs of the week. (Stop reading here if you don’t care for these things.)

The painted names on the wall are different. The originals were done much more neatly. The new ones are shaky. Note especially the second “N” in “ANNA”. The original is straight with only a small space on the underside of the “N”. The new one is very wiggly with a larger space on the underside of the N. (The gap between the first and second strokes.) The original shot had masking on the baseboard so they couldn’t re-use it. But apparently no one thought to take the masking off and re-shoot it while they were there the first time.

Watch the sheet on Megan’s chest when Don is about to propose to her. When she first sits up, the sheet slides down. Then it is shown still over her chest in the next shot.

The box on the counter magically moves. Note especially the last time Betty puts it back down. It’s short end is facing nearly straight to the opposite side of the counter. But then when she picks it up, it’s nearly facing the end of the counter.

I don’t think she knows anything of the kind. Henry seems to me to be a much better husband for Betty. She might even grow up a little under his influence.

Extremely unlikely.

But it doesn’t fit Faye’s character at all.

Phoebe? The neighbour?

I think it remains to be seen whether Bert’s quitting takes.

Thanks for the warning. I can’t understand how someone can enjoy a show while scrutinizing all this technical stuff.

Yeah, Bert “quit” but they don’t mention him selling off his share of the company or anything. He’s still partner and part owner. I saw his quitting more as “Screw this, I’m going home and someone let me know when the boat finally sinks”. A revival could keep him in the game.

Recall that, in the episode in which Bert said sayonara, the partners were being asked to pony up huge sums to obtain a further line of credit: $100,000 each from Bert, Don, & Roger, and $50,000 from the two junior partners, Pete & Lane. It’s mentioned that the partnership agreement obliges them to do this if necessary, and Pete says that if he refuses or is unable to do so, he’ll lose his partnership. Thus it seems to me that Bert can likely absent himself from the firm simply by refusing to pay up. (I don’t know how this would change his obligations regarding repayment of debt.)

That said, I’m not sure Bert actually did that. I doubt the bank’s proposed loan was actually based on X dollars from each partner; rather, I expect they wanted $400,000, and that the allotment of shares is where the $100K / $50K numbers came from. In that case, the amount each of the remaining four would have to pony up would go up quite a bit–especially onerous for Don, who was already covering Pete as well as himself.

I don’t think Bert actually quit. I think he actually did pay his share. He just didn’t want to be around any more.