Mad-Men: 5.11 "The Other Woman" (open spoilers)

I actually feel awful for Megan. Her father has come along and told her that she was whoring herself out to have married into her copywriting post. That may well be. Then she’s a bourgeois whore, working for the Man.

But now she’s faced with the fact that she seems to have to whore herself out to follow her dream. Note her friend pawing and clawing her way across the Jaguar table with the leering men. There’s your bohemian whore, working for her Dream.

And we’ve seen how the latter road can finish with poor Midge.
I love the callback to the fact that no one can tell Peggy that she’snot going to Paris. Duck tried it with his ‘you can work on Hermes! you can just never meet the client’ and lost her.

So, did Megan bring her actress friend with her to the offices to “occupy” the creative team while she took Don to his office for a quickie? Her friend’s lucky she left with her virtue intact (assuming she did).

When Megan’s friend was prancing on the table, pretending to be a jaguar, I thought that perhaps this was the direction that Don would take in the advertising, personifying the jaguar.

I’m late to the discussion, but I thought the episode was amazing. I don’t have anything to say about Joan’s storyline, because it’s hard to decide what I think and impossible to predict how it will play out. But I’m happy that Peggy left SCDP. It’s true that Ted Chaough does partly want Peggy because he’s Don’s rival. But I think and hope that he also realizes how talented she is. And I don’t remember if we’ve been told or shown about how successful CGC is, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re doing as well as SCDP, and maybe being even more successful. The Tom and Lorenzo Mad Men style post pointed out how Chaough was dressed fairly hip for the meeting with Peggy, as opposed to how Don still always wears the business man suits and doesn’t look like he belongs with the creatives. I don’t know if SCDP is going to fall apart, but it’s definitely to Peggy’s advantage to leave the company and Don behind.

I have to say, I almost thought something was going to try and whore out Megan’s friend. Earlier, Ken had said to the Jaguar guy, “So you like redheads? I know a few…” as if to try and steer him away from Joan and to a different redhead. Then we see that Megan’s friend has red hair. But it was probably just a coincidence.

Joan was trying to protect “her girls.” She doesn’t want to get a secretary trained just right only to have her leave because she was having a baby out of wedlock.

Right. Joan wanted Peggy prepared. She did not expect or require anything more of her.

Next season, Peggy will return to SCDP…with dragons!

Does anyone at SCDP know that Peggy had Pete’s baby? Don knows she had a baby, but did he know whose?

The only one who knows for sure is Pete. Because she told him.

(Don knew she had a baby & convinced her to get out of the psych ward & get back to work. But we never heard her tell him the father’s name.)

Great, now I know there are dragons in Game of Thrones. Thanks a lot!
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While I think some of you have a far too Pollyanna view of Joan from the first episode or two, it’s not a point I’m invested in enough to keep arguing.

I wonder how long Peggy will work with Chaough before filling him in on Honda :smiley:

Even more, this serves to illustration Joan’s evolution throughout the show. In the beginning, Joan is the perfect office manager, giving “her” girls the advice and “on-the-job mentoring” that they won’t get out of any employment manual or their mothers. But she assumes (mostly correctly) that the secretaries want the same things out of life and work that she wants, to wit, a good time, a husband, and a house in the suburbs, all in the appropriate order without any hiccups. This is why she is so perplexed that Peggy is doing nothing to attract a man and is willing to work evenings for free as a junior copywriter. However, her perspective changes when she is given the “extra” job of reading scripts for Harry Crane. She suddenly discovers that she can do more than boss around younger women (who also mock her age) and be admired for her figure. When that job is taken away from her, and given to some boob who clearly doesn’t know or care about making the kind of connections between drama and marketing that are natural to her. Ever since then, she has demonstrated subtle balking at her position, exacerbated by her disintegrating marriage. Joan might chastise one of her girls for making an error, but she has consistently demonstrated protectiveness and has never betrayed one for her own self-interest the way the all of the partners (save for Don) did either in action or inaction.

The duplicated scene was a framing device that is intended to emphasize the inner conflict that Joan has experienced. In the first scene, she seems to be assuring Don that she is not being coerced and sleeping with the sleezebag out of her own conscious self-interest. When the scene is played again and we understand that she has already done the deed, we realize that part of the reason that Joan slept with the guy was out of spite for the partners, almost as if being dared, and if Don had spoken to her before she likely would have not gone through with it. The look of barely restrained revulsion on Joan’s face when she removes her dress (facing away from Herb) is a great scene, and intercut with Don pitching Jaguar (which is supposed to be describing a mistress, but is actually the tenuous success of SCDP and its relationship to its clients) is one of the best scenes since the pitch in “The Wheel”.

This is also an evolution of Draper, who had initially embraced the mistress idea, and then rejected it when Megan clearly found it revolting, only to accept it again when Ginsberg pitched it (again, as a veiled metareference to SCDP’s relationship to Jaguar). Don’s whole speach to Peggy regarding the “sex sells” approach of creative (“The people who think that think that monkeys can do this job,”) is lost when the “sex” (Jaguar) is being sold to him.

And Jaguar is going to end up being a gigantic charlie-fox for SCDP. Not only are they going to be an overbearing, demanding client to shame Lucky Strike, they’re also going to be disruptive and mercurial. Lane is right to be concerned about their affect on the business; everyone else assumes that “a car” is necessary for SCDP’s reputation regardless of the cost to the firm.

Ted Chaough already knows what happened at Honda. Although it is tempting to think of him as a second-rater, especially with his apparently one-sided competition with Draper, he’s clearly very smart and capable, and didn’t get this far riding on someone else’s coat tails. His vision for the Honda commercial was actually quite good, and his pitch to Peggy in this episode is straight Draper.

Frankly, I hope this is the last series for the show, because it has been threatening to veer off into Carnal Knowledge territory for a while now, and I really don’t want to see the show depicted in the 'Seventies.

Stranger

Actually, I think it’s a Breaking Bad spoiler.

Stranger, thats a fantastic analysis.

There is definitely going to be one more season and maybe one more after that

I thought she was trying to plant an idea for a TV commercial starting herself in their heads.

There were rumours circulating in season 2 that she’d gone away to have Don’s love child, ironically Pete was the biggest fan of the alternative “fat farm” theory. IIRC the official explanation for Peggy’s absence was that she was in a sanitarium recovering from TB. Peggy’s mother is absolutely convinced that Don seduced her and got her pregnant.

I’m certain it was a coincidence. For all we know Ken’s never met Megan’s friend.

My wife and I were wondering if Don has really considered the ramifications of Megan getting a role on Broadway. Eight shows a week, every night except Monday, matinees on Wednesday and Saturday. The only time they’re going to see each other is Saturday mornings, Sunday during the day, and Monday nights. And she’ll probably be coming home at 1 or 2 a.m. most nights.

He may want to be supportive of Megan in theory, but I don’t think Don would put up with that for long.

The real and modern day Jaguar company has expressed disapproval, albeit with surprising restraint and aplomb. (On the whole they’re less p.o.d. than House Romney was when their patriarch was mentioned in a far less damning sort of way.)

First, we need to see whether Megan is really good enough to get a role on Broadway. We don’t know a thing about her previous experience.

If she does get a role, will she stay with Don?

What makes you think she wouldn’t?

He was definitely trying to steer the guy away from Joan, but he was thinking towards an *actual *whore. He knows a few. I don’t know whether or not he knows Megan’s friend, but even if he does I doubt she’d have been the first redhead to pop into his mind when thinking of someone to “entertain” his most important prospective client.