DB has been coy to the extreme about what exactly she can do. We’ve as much evidence that she’s a watcher or tracker as a cop. Why do you think that her targeting you will clear you?
The situation forces me to be optimistic on that.
Here are my options:
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Do absolutely nothing to get people off of me as a suspect. This fails to encourage votes on actual scumbags, wastes time, and removes me from play. While the third thing is not such a big deal, as I cannot be effective on offense if there is no trust in me to find scumbags anyway, it still wastes a day destroying a person who is innocent. So I don’t find the option to sit here and do nothing and then die to be in either my interest or the interest of the folks voting me who are likely to be townie. If I can get any of them assurances that I can be okay as a living person, great. If not, at least I made the attempt.
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Assume there is some method of clearing my good name besides a lynch. If I can be cleared as a suspect then it increases the odds I get murdered, which will remove a mislynch from play permanently while keeping powers alive. Forcing the scums to choose between leaving proven innocents alive (thus increasing their odds of lynch) and executing town powers is the best strategy. Even the threat of my being scanned and cleared makes me a target for murder.
- Argue my position defensively- such as pointing out soft evidence in my favor, examples being where certain suspects still alive have been voting (for me) and where the votes of the dead scumbags have been (not for certain other suspects who have been voting for me) and the unlikely scenario of me and TexCat both being scum and neither voting to break the tie. Then you have my clue which demonstrates that I was aware of Langdale Pike’s existence right from the start of the game and if my clue is proven to be correct and my alignment is shown to be innocent, then I just proved that Lightfoot is innocent since she’s in possession of a false clue. All of these arguments are fine but since it’s only soft evidence it’s easily dismissed by players with no inclination to move their vote from an unlikely candidate to be scum. The only way to truly press the matter is to offer more solid evidence, therefore I’m asking for that.
What has changed is that a godfather and backup godfather are both dead. That means the odds of me being scum and asking to be scanned by a potential alignment scanner are absolutely horrendous.
I’m known to make risky plays but those risks are calculated. Why argue for a play which could force my death to happen tomorrow when the odds aren’t that horrendous that I could simply continue to survive due to yet more scumbags dying and being exposed as having voted for me, as all of them so far have, and if Astral is scum too, given the vote record, then I get to laugh with the kind of victorious laughter usually reserved for people who won the lottery.
I’m tired of playing defense. Either scan me or lynch me, but quit discussing me. That ends today. Kill me and be done with it, or move on.
That’s the reasonable argument.
If the votes remain on me, that’s all well and good. No one is required to be moved by a reasonable argument.
But you’ve been playing well so far, and I’m trying to give you reasons to continue doing so.
Call that flattery if you want. I’m thinking more along the lines of wouldn’t it be better to lynch a scumbag today, and Astral is right there practically begging for it.
Remember, I was indifferent to being lynched over TexCat. If the GAME PLAN for the scum team was to sacrifice me to save the backup godfather, um…
Texcat was *online *all the way up until the end of the round. I promise you, I’d have been lynched yesterday as part of a coherent plan to keep a scan-immune person alive.
If that’s not reason enough, then hey, absolutely nothing will persuade you anyway so you’d better get to lynching me.
Askthepizzaguy is named Brian Donner. On night two, he did nothing.
Where is the reasonable strategic progression from:
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Don’t scan me at all, let the lynch happen, as Godfathers are still alive therefore scan results are worthless (which I stated on the round Chronos died and flipped Godfather)
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Hey, I don’t care if I get lynched over TexCat. (TexCat dies and flips Godfather, with no attempt by me to look townie by lynching her, and no attempt by her to save herself and get points for lynching me, the hypothetical scum)
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Don’t lynch me, scan me. (Now that we can fairly reasonably assume all Godfathers are dead and need I remind you, if there are Godfathers, then some innocent has a scan that can detect alignment… otherwise the Godfather power is in name only.)
This is not a reasonable strategic progression for Askthepizzaguy-as-scum.
If you believe it is, you deserve all the rewards that come with my head on a platter.
Still absolutely guilty, though. 
Thanks, I am mobile and busy a t work. I wouldn’t mind a decrease in the personal insults, I figured people wanted to know before I went home from work and looked it up. Inner, it isn’t personal. Your reaction makes me suspect you more.
See this post right here?
I *always *admit my guilt when I’m scum. Lynch me.
If you don’t lynch me now, I will lord it over you all for the rest of eternity and make this post my sig on every forum, and bring it up in every game, ever.
I can even quote myself from previous games where I admitted I was scum and got away with it. You can’t let me do this again! Stop me now! HAHAHAHAH!!!
/Entitled to have a little fun, defense is frustrating.
Ok back to work.
**Daphne, **the *only *reason why I let Inner Stickler go is because you specifically said I was tunneling him and that you did not see the case against him. With asterisks included.
I took that as my cue to leave him alone in case you had evidence in his favor, without making a big deal about it. But unless you specifically tell me not to vote for him, I’m renewing my vote.
Also, I am willing to vote **septimus **on your say so, but you also said he didn’t do the scum kill on the night you scanned him. Given what you just posted about me, it’s not a stretch to conclude you believe he’s scum in spite of his lack of activity. Leading me to assume his name is one which is somehow incriminating.
If you have something more than a hunch I’d like to know. I don’t think think the discussion is leading anywhere in particular anyway, so nothing of value is being lost by giving direction.
I am willing to consider voting Inner at this point. I don’t have exculpatory evidence on him. I didn’t see your case, but I am going to go back and take a look at him as a whole.
But I am not liking Mahaloth’s play either.
I do not have more than a hunch on septimus.
I don’t have a case on Inner, so I won’t be pretending that I do.
My vote and suspicion on him is largely based on what I perceive to be a lack of serious attempt to find actual scum, his vote record, his reasons, and my gut. It’s all very generic stuff.
I don’t find myself leaning to vote Mahaloth. I just think he got frustrated with being in the line of fire kind of rapidly and people have been on him for flip flopping about his own lynch.
I look for consistent viable scum strategy, I’m trying to chase down scums who are trying to win, I don’t see Mahaloth’s play as scum trying to win.
Now, I don’t *have *to see a case to vote for someone, I am willing to vote with people I think are town and trying to find scum, for just about anyone who has no alibi. If I can’t get anyone to follow my suspects I’ll join my vote with others’ to give theirs more weight, assuming I think they’re really trying to solve the game.
Septimus seems to want to make sure I don’t bamboozle him in a game, and is looking for a typical example of me trying to manipulate people and thinks he found one.
It’s a good try but I’m not the droids he’s looking for.
Astral remains a non-random and serious voting effort on my part to locate scum.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17166197&postcount=907
I do have actual reasons and they involve his behavior while himself, TexCat, and Chronos are under voting pressure and how he ended the TexCat v Pizza lynch round.
Scum don’t typically defend other scum THAT HARD but those were Godfathers, and lynching Godfathers means they don’t get to be scanned as innocent and left alone. It also looked like he could die at any moment for most of the game which means that he could consider himself low-value to his team alive, and his teammates being far more valuable than himself if left alive.
At every point during this game he has made every effort to cause the wrong thing to happen.
You have that kind of freedom when your goose is already cooked.
Someday I would love to meet the Inner Stickler people remember playing with because he’s much better at this game than I’ve ever been.
But I agree with you on Mahaloth. I suspect that were I in his shoes, I’d make a similar judgment. It just sucks for him that he’s wrong.
It’d be pointless if I’m the lynch leader at the end of the Day but in the general case, if there’s a town roleblocker, they might consider RBing the lynch leader. If the lynch leader is scum, they probably will be tasked with carrying out the kill since they’re dead anyway. RBing them will prevent the kill, or potentially force a scum with a power to forgo their chance to use it in order to carry out the NK. This would have been a more timely suggestion on day 2 since Chronos almost assuredly killed Klutz but I didn’t think about it until now.
If Astral dies and flips scum, that’s more than a tiny bit of townie cred to the 5 folks I mentioned earlier in bold who have been blowtorching scums all game.
Bussing a scum partner is one thing, being *this *right and *this *eager to destroy scum largely indicates townie, and I’m eager to consider a huge swath of players in this game townie.
There is too much to gain and too little to lose, to not press harder on Astral, IMO.
Also on preview I just saw Inner make a decent post that I agree with.
On any given round I’m supposed to try to harass some scumbag. When threatened they typically harass me right back, which is fine. But townies often lock horns as well.
Generic suspicions are not things I will forcefully insist people follow me on. I’m harping on Astral because he’s seriously too coincidentally pro-scum under voting pressure all game (95% that), and there’s so much that can be gained with his death (5% that).
I’ll hit that particular pinata unless folks insist they think he’s suddenly townie now and it’s an obviously lost cause I have to move on from. I need to kill him at this point to be satisfied, or have that option removed from me.
Some of you seem to be reacting like I said I had a list of 5 scum. I had a pool of 5 people that is supposed to contain at least 1 scum. That is the pool I am shooting into and will vote anyone else that comes up from that list.
Inner is the only one so far. Ahem, now on to questions:
Sorry, I missed this as I was focused on other things.
I’m a cab driver.
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I only thought it might be acceptable if everyone posted theirs, not mine alone.
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Nope.
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Nope.
If I’m wrong. And I still plan to shoot into the pool of names if anyone else comes up from my clue. You just happen to be the only one so far.
You said you had a list of potential scum, not a list that contained at least one scum. To me there’s a difference. A list of potential scum would be a list of players who have the option or capability to become scum and it would be possible for no one on the list to be scum. As it is, you’re still playing a risky game. There’s only a 50% chance that you even have the name of one scummer and I don’t even know how to calculate the odds that scum are going to claim a real name instead of a cover name. You could very well lynch everyone whose name is on your list and not hit a single scum.