Ah, I see. Yes, it is a list that definitely contains at least one scum, not merely a list of 5 names where all 5 might not be scum.
Oh, I know the odds are also there that none are scum because my clue is false, but I am still shooting into that pool because it is the best case I have right now.
Alright, this agrees with my clue, which told me that you were A) in the game and B) “a carpenter by trade.” My clue is now “true,” whether you’re scum or not, since as a game designer I would count a false identity as still “in the game.” Make with this info what you will.
This is maaaaaybe hyperbole, right? I think my case-making, right or wrong, can be defended based on the evidence available. I still contend that TexCat was a bad lynch at the time, and I’m (now) glad we ignored me. Other people cottoned to the clues better than I did. These things happen.
Making a vote count, then I’m gonna do a little scum digging. Should be fun!
Vote Count
Darth Sensitive (3): DaphneBlack, Idle Thoughts, septimus
septimus (2): DaphneBlack, Idle Thoughts
Mahaloth (2): sinjin, DiggitCamara
Inner Stickler (2): Mahaloth, sinjin
Astral Rejection (1): Askthepizzaguy
pleonast (1): septimus
Askthepizzaguy (1): DiggitCamara, septimus
First things first, sinjin:
You’re voting for Inner Stickler, whom Mahaloth is voting for, and both are potentially serious lynch candidates. In Days 1 or 2, I’d give this a pass. Today, no dice. Do you suspect them as both being scum, and further suspect scum Mahaloth is trying to establish townie cred by voting for scum Inner? If not, how do you justify voting for both? By Day 4, I personally need better justification for a vote like this. At the very least, can you tell me which you’d prefer?
And while we’re on the subject of your voting history, it bothers me that you made the fourth vote of the game (for Mahaloth and Askthepizzaguy) in post 149, and didn’t see fit to cast another vote the rest of the first Day. In Day 2, you made another earlyish vote for a trio of people, and then unvoted in favor of Chronos later. In Day 3, you cast a one-off for Inner Stickler, who was under no serious lynch pressure, and then didn’t cast a vote for any of our lynch leaders again.
I took a quick read through your posting history in this game, and while you’ve given a plausible explanation for your absence (training, which I hope is going well!), you don’t do much of any scum hunting in Days 2, 3, or 4. You seriously question Pizza and Idle on subsequent days, but don’t renew your vote on pizza or cast a first for Idle, which pings me.
At this point, you deserve a vote.
Vote sinjin.
LightFoot also troubles me. I had a solid case on her on Day 1, which as far as I know she has never responded to or even acknowledged. Johnny Bravo agreed with the case, and cast the final vote of the Day for her. While a Day 1 scum kill could happen for any particular reason, It’s not a total stretch to posit a scum team wanting to clear suspicion on her by killing one town suspector (is that a word?) and hoping to lead a lynch of the other (me). Coupled with his hint that his clue was a good one, and I could see that being enough for a scum decision for a Day 1 kill.
Normally, I wouldn’t need to go back to a Day 1 case and scum kill to illustrate scumminess, but LightFoot hasn’t done much of else of note all game. She cast a vote for Chronos (like we all did)… and disappeared. I find that suspicious as well.
Vote LightFoot.
Does anybody have a credible guess for why Silver Jan might have been targetted, by the way?
Do you just accept that I’m town as claimed? This kind of bothers me. I could be lying, you know; only scum would accept without reservation my claim, since they would know I have no reason to lie. It also bothers me that it didn’t occur to you to question Mahaloth until I prodded you into it. If this was your real identity (and not, say, a cover role you’ve barely considered), I would have expected you to already think your way through the implications of your clue.
Vote Darth Sensitive.
[url=http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17165980&postcount=903[:dubious:
This matches my clue - so we can mark mine down as true.
Do you have a character name for septimus?
Nothing in there says I thought you were town. I am willing to conditionally accept the fact that you have a one time use power. Either you’ll use it tonight as you said or you won’t. Either way, when you did, you’ll flip as something other than VT, or you’ll be a dead liar. There’s a small chance than an investigative role will find something out that outs you as a living liar who will possibly get lynched. But I’m willing to accept that you have a random name that isn’t pure vanilla. That’s all I said.
And I’ll be honest. I thought my clue was only useful as a gotcha if something odd came out, especially when compared to the other revealed clues. I didn’t really thing about the logic puzzles involved in clue puzzling until after I worked on the lightfoot/pizza issue. I’ll admit to not fully thinking that through until the other day.
I have heartburn from this post. It seems like a lot of aggression towards someone already assuredly being lynched. If Idle Thoughts is already suggesting TexCat is scum, there’s no additional scum value for posting about in the main thread; by the rules (and the nature of the game), scum can talk during the Day, suggesting a scum TexCat has already shared the clue with her scum buddies. This line in particular…
[INDENT][INDENT]“For two, what on EARTH made you think this was a good thing to share? Now you know precisely why I didn’t want to share mine. My reasons for not wanting to tell them this clue was because PUBLICALLY telling scum that there’s a secret scum player among them DOES NOTHING TO HELP TOWN.”[/INDENT][/INDENT]
… doesn’t make sense for the case Idle is making. If TexCat is town, she just made a mistake. If she’s scum, they already know. It’s a lot of hooplah for a case that doesn’t need extra hooplah. Further, scum already know the entire clue at this point anyway! If any member of the scum team knows there’s a unknown scummer, about five seconds later they all know.
I’m also curious why Idle thinks not correcting the single word mistake now is important. Presumably, TexCat had the full (correct) clue, and accurately reported it to her scum buddies. At this point, town is the only group still in the dark, and you’re doing scum no harm by not revealing it. What is the point of not informing town what scum already knows?
This case feels like too much after the fact. I’m suggesting Idle Thoughts is a scum partner with TexCat, and with Johnny Bravo out of the picture and unable to say one way or the other, could coordinate this effort with TexCat to get maximum townie cred from her lynch by adjusting (and then calling out) her claimed JB clue. We have no way of verifying if a word really was left out, or even if this was really his clue, and Idle Thoughts was free to be the only one calling TexCat out on it.
Vote Idle Thoughts.
Final bit of business: if there’s a normal detective in the game with three results of some kind on still-living players (or maybe a detected scum?), I’d consider claiming toDay or toMorrow. Your chances of dying increase greatly as these Days progress, and your results can really help us at this point. Even if you’ve only discovered town players, your results create a new masonry scum is forced to deal with, as scum generally can’t let a block of “confirmed” players into the end-game without certain defeat.
This is a fair rebuttal. I’ve only your tone to go on, and it seemed too casually accepting. I like my cases on other people better, but felt this was iffy enough to deserve a vote.
This I’m not as forgiving about. It doesn’t require a lot of thought to go from “my clue mentions this guy, and gives me exactly one fact about him” to “I should question him about that one fact.” You absolutely deserve my vote for this.
If I were to play the lets pretend I’m wrong about Astral game, which I very well could be, then I’d say this to you.
Because my clue identifies Langdale pike as having false information, I’ll just reiterate that you’ll not get me to vote for her.
IIRC she lynched a godfather, so, I am not understanding why this continues to be a relevant question.
I also think your vote on Darth Sensitive is motivated by the tally rather than actual suspicions, so no go on that one either. Surprise surprise, I’m sure.
Got any other suspects? I’m not impressed so far.
So did other people. I think trying to decipher scum’s motivation is worthwhile, and “she voted to lynch a dude that other people lynched too” doesn’t cut it for me.
This might come as a shock to you, but I’m not playing the “let’s impress Askthepizzaguy” game.
I would also humbly suggest that anyone else with investigation results think about coming out with them in some form.
I need to think about the Astral/Pizza/Mahaloth/Darth Sensitive nexus. I’ll sleep on it.
If this helps you untangle your thoughts, my lynch preference in order:
I think Astral makes a good point about Idle Thoughts’ thinking about the extra Scum clue. His only defense, ISTM, is to ask for a name change to Unclear Thoughts. 
Vote: Idle Thoughts
I’m less fond of his case against Lightfoot, who in past games has been very active when Scum; nor his case against Sinjin. If there were two players of whom I were certain exactly one was Scum, I’d likely be voting for both now: I don’t have 50% certainty on any of the Scum candidates I’m voting now.
That’s the danger of a multivote game. I don’t feel equally strong about my cases, either. In a single vote game, I’d just be voting for Idle Thoughts. The three lesser cases were things that pinged me as I read along, and I stand by them as indications of potential scummyness. That’s why I’ve generally been indicating my preferential order near my multivotes.
Scathach, wevets, maybe somebody else I’m forgetting… are you still playing the game?
On general principle:
Vote Scathach
Vote wevets
can anyone summarize the case on Idle? also what was his claim?
You can read my case on Idle in its entirety just ten posts above yours.
You can read Idle Thought’s claim by clicking on this link right here.
Your case doesn’t make any sense, Astral.
I’ve been suspicious of Texcat since after Day One, if you remember…so that wasn’t just a new suspicion from out of the blue.
I voted for Texcat on both Day Two AND Day Three.
Not to use the “scum would never go after each other” ploy…because they have and probably would…but, seriously? You’re going to go after one of the few people who has consistently been after Texcat and turned out to be right?
I think scum are growing scared of me and want me out of the game.
Here’s who I think are good choices for scum, from first to last:
Vote Astral Rejection
3 and 4. Waffling between Darth and Mahaloth.