I think that at last count he does not have a majority of votes. He can still duke it out but …
Since everyone has a role (even though we don’t know if all roles are present) I tentativelly agree. His claim, if believed is just going to result in a mass run away to another victim. This person will then claim leading to another mass run away followed by … Oh, well you get the picture.
And now I can see that a mass role claim makes some sense. If we were to get our votes in early then the same thing would be accomplished. Because everyone is going to claim and then we move off the vote because of it then in effect we have arrived at a mass claim. Just more slowly and tediously.
If Pleo padded the role possibilities such that some/all of the scummies were given false claims that did not step on any actually occupied roles…
Certainly worth thinking about for a while. Assuming all anti-town factions are present (which you know I’m doing until given a compelling reason to consider otherwise…and this suggestion is not yet compelling enough), unless there are at least 3 unfilled roles in the list of potential roles, it would not be possible for all members of the assumed anti-town factions to hide in false claims.
A false claim would be pretty much worthless unless it was for a townie role that was not already occupied due to the ability of the true role-holder to counter claim, unless the stipulation of that role is that you don’t know how many others might hold that role, and there is no handshake maybe?
Upon re-read, all of the role descriptions use “You are a Rolefoo…” (bolding mine) which just makes my head hurt and I wonder if Pleo anticipated this line of thought, avoided the word “the” and worded things extra special just to fuck with us. So we (collectively and publicly) don’t definitively know that there is only one of any of the roles. Do we?
While I agree with the sentiment of this post, I don’t like the rigidity it suggests. I really dislike the “Next!” mentality of forcing multiple claims in a day, but I’d rather have more time to parse this one, and everybody’s reactions to said claim, than to artificially set limits on our order of operations.
And, sorry, but NoLynch is retarded in a game where we don’t get full reveals for two full Days. Like I said before, it’ll set us back 60 Hours instead of 48. Not Good.
At this point, I’m weighing in on the day 1 mass claim. No claim today.
The comments made by Nanook didn’t really ping me originally, but I do see the points of some of the arguments made against him. I want him to claim now - lets see how well he sings?
I really don’t think it’s that wise an idea. Unless he’s a Witch, Coroner or a Mason (and thereby verifiable), are we really going to let him off the hook? And if he was one of those roles, he would have claimed by now: letting days elapse with an assumed lynch for the town, only to pull one of those unlynchable roles out of his hat, isn’t a very pro-Townie move. If there’s a very strong reason we shouldn’t lynch him, we should be using this time to hash out another candidate for the chopping block.
He’s experienced enough to know this, so I’m assuming that he doesn’t have one of those roles. So what’s the point of a claim?
What’s the point of not claiming? If he doesn’t, it looks like he’s going to be lynched. It’s very early in the day, up until the votes really started to get going he didn’t have a reason to be too worried. I agree that now is the time, though. If nothing else, assuming he’s scum, it would shoehorn him into a role that he’d have to live up to for the rest of the game. If he’s not that role, it will become obvious in later days.
IMHO, advocating that he go into the abyss with nary a claimed role doesn’t seem very pro-town to me.
I’m sure **CatInA **will agree with this assessment.
I can see where Diomedes is coming from. It’s not like he is going to say it’s a fair cop guv, I’m scum. I believe we have to lynch someone, for information purposs. Eventually we get their role, then it becomes interesting to see who pushed, who defended etc. A claim would only be useful in this case if we had a good second candidate to switch to, or time to look for one. So if he is going to claim, sooner is better than later. A last minute claim serves no purpose.
I have been re-reading back over the **Nanook ** slip and I think it is also possible he could be a Wolf, if not the Alpha Wolf.
Think about it. If the Wolf setup has not fundamentally changed between games (numbers excepted) but still only have the one Secret Power, then a reasonable assumption for them is that the rest of the factions will be set up likewise.
Of course, we know different now.
The other thing I noticed at the same time was a lot of pressure being thrown my way over my role claim idea including FoS and votes. Some of them may be legit, but others may have been to take pressure of Nanook at the same time.
If we decide not to lynch Nanook, that’s where I will start looking next, probably starting with **pedescribe ** and Drain Bead.
I’m not saying that I don’t want to hear what his claim is, as if I’d somehow ignore it pointedly if he made the claim, but I am suggesting that we, as a town, not worry about it. Would it suck terribly if Nanook held a superawesomecoolkiller pro-town secret move, but whose role was Vig or Magician? Yeah, it would. But it wouldn’t stop us from lynching the guy, would it?
And, yeah, as Omi says, holding off on a reveal at this point isn’t going to increase the chances that I’m unvoting him, for one. A hurried, last minute lynch strung together in a day or two doesn’t help us: it leads to everyone voting with much less surety, and makes accountability for votes lower.
There is another option: build a case against someone else that you feel is more suspicious than you. While this is admittedly quite difficult at this early stage of the game, it’s still a pro-Town move, IMO, assuming you are clear and provide evidence. Even if no one listens now, it can be referenced later when/if you turn up Town. And maybe, just maybe, you find something suspicious that others agree with.
(And I should note that this does not preclude also doing option 1 or 2.)
I like how everyone just assumed I was planning to wait until 5 minutes before the deadline to claim. At the time I made that post there were SIX days to go before the deadline. I don’t see how waiting 1-2 days was going to be so awfully terrible for town.
No I’m not going to claim Vig or Magician or some similar crap, since that isn’t my role.
I’m a Witch.
Yeah, thanks for forcing me out so early. I will admit it’s at least partially my own fault. I blame playing in 3 of the most insane games that have ever been run, all at the same time. It makes it hard to keep track of what the rules are in one game vs another, what roles are there, etc etc. The post that started this whole mess was made in haste, and I probably should have waited til I wasn’t so busy, which would have avoided the terrible wording and lack of rules knowledge that caused it. So be it though, what’s done can’t be undone.
Why is it, when I’m pushing somone for a slip they never claim vanilla?
2 scenarios here
you’re lying, you are scum we have caught in a mistak, and this is an attmpt to survive a while longer, flush out a real witch disputing your claim
You’re what you say you are, and can (if you survive the nights) feed us the witch investigation results.
The same as last time I was in this situation, I find this claim to be highly suspicious.
If he is lying, I believe it would be beneficial for a real witch to speak up, we would 1 lynch right today, and 2 have a conduit for reporting witch investigations. This person could b targeted for protection obviously. If he is telling the truth, then no other witch breaks cover and w take that as confirmation.
Well, as I said I was tired last night and not making much sense even to myself. My point was really that how many claims are we going to push? I wasn’t imposing a limit, just voicing my opinion of how many I am comfortable with.
