[QUOTE=Zsofia]
Why do you say that? If his claim is believed by a protector role, he is the obvious one to protect toNight.
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The witches have the capability to protect him. NO OTHER PROTECTORS IF ANY EXIST SHOULD PROTECT HIM. If he is really a witch, they will take care of him.
Re-reading the rules, if he is protected by Witch power and gets targeted as a Night kill by multiple parties (which could very well happen), he’ll survive. I thought there may have been some trickle down chance of a successful kill to the other killers after Pleo reconciled the first in line for the kill (which is reconciled as the last to turn in their kill orders). My bad.
So the easiest test of his claim will be whether or not he is backed up by the coven and survives the night. Which still means there is no need to come up with some way to test him.
As such, a WiFoM game of cat and mouse would ensue on Night 2. He’ll either have to be perpetually protected, or risk being picked off every Night so long as there are any killing undead cabal wolves about.
Vote count is up to date now, but I’ll be slow to update over the weekend. We still have nine players who have not cast any vote at all. If you have not cast any vote by the time the Day ends, you will be automatically mod-killed (and lose, even if your side later wins). You don’t have to keep a vote active. Once you’ve made any vote you’re off the list. (The gimmick to vote and unvote yourself will prevent the mod-kill.)
Other voting rules to keep in mind:
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore]
Cat, I will not be providing you with that information. I see no good reason that you need it, and I can see possibilities for it to be beneficial to scum. I find it interesting that you’re willing to vote a confirmable, pro-town role. Cabal? Wolf maybe? I could see either of those factions being willing to take a shot on losing a member for the chance to lynch a Witch.
Vote CIAS
Drain, I, myself, do not. I will say nothing further on that topic, for reasons which should be obvious to all.
Cookies, that was freakin funny. 
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I’m getting this OAOW feeling here.
Oh well, so you have claimed Witch. If you are a real Witch, you are in the right group to sort it out. If your not a real Witch, I guess we will find out in a few Days or so. I just hope it is not to the town’s detriment.
I don’t like the fact that we have just your word for it and yes, an edited PM would have gone a long way towards easing my concern.
But as the chances of this town lynching you toDay just dropped to zero, time to go find some other scum I guess.
unvote Nanook of the North Shore
Seriously not impressed with the way the town has just rolled over. 
I just hope I am wrong.
[QUOTE=CatInASuit]
Oh well, so you have claimed Witch. If you are a real Witch, you are in the right group to sort it out. If your not a real Witch, I guess we will find out in a few Days or so. I just hope it is not to the town’s detriment.
I don’t like the fact that we have just your word for it and yes, an edited PM would have gone a long way towards easing my concern.
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Why? You have not explained this even a bit. I am not a Witch, and I could produce an edited PM claiming to be; it’s sitting in the GoogleDoc that Pleonast posted at the outset of the game. This makes no sense.
Oh, spare us the martyr routine. If you can supply an actual reason to be suspicious of this claim, or a reason to lynch the claimant in the absence of such evidence, have at it. But I’m not terribly impressed with “he didn’t copy and paste the PM from Pleo’s doc” as evidence. And your little role-over, unvote, and say “oh, well” song-and-dance is extremely uncharacteristic of you.
unvote Wanderers
vote CatinaSuit
Yes, that works.
I meant “roll-over,” up there, obviously.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Why? You have not explained this even a bit. I am not a Witch, and I could produce an edited PM claiming to be; it’s sitting in the GoogleDoc that Pleonast posted at the outset of the game. This makes no sense.
Oh, spare us the martyr routine. If you can supply an actual reason to be suspicious of this claim, or a reason to lynch the claimant in the absence of such evidence, have at it. But I’m not terribly impressed with “he didn’t copy and paste the PM from Pleo’s doc” as evidence. And your little role-over, unvote, and say “oh, well” song-and-dance is extremely uncharacteristic of you.
unvote Wanderers
vote CatinaSuit
Yes, that works.
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I unvoted **Nanook ** because the chances of him being lynched today given the rest of the town are a BIG FAT ZERO.
I would rather go and find different scum and put my vote to good use than leave it on someone who I know is not going to get lynched toDay but as far as I am concerned seems scummy.
You don’t like that. Tough!
Nanook still leads by 7 votes, with a 7-way tie of one-offs for 2nd place. That is a far cry from a zero chance of being lynched. By my recollection, there have been times where post-game bandwagon exoduses are then followed by a re-wagoning, sometimes by the same people who were on the wagon the first time, and sometimes by a whole new set of wagon-riders.
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
Nanook still leads by 7 votes, with a 7-way tie of one-offs for 2nd place. That is a far cry from a zero chance of being lynched. By my recollection, there have been times where post-game bandwagon exoduses are then followed by a re-wagoning, sometimes by the same people who were on the wagon the first time, and sometimes by a whole new set of wagon-riders.
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Sorry Cookies, I think those 7 votes are going to fade faster than snowflakes in Death Valley.
If **Nanook ** is scum and slips up again later, then maybe. As it stands now, I don’t think so.
[QUOTE=CatInASuit]
I unvoted **Nanook ** because the chances of him being lynched today given the rest of the town are a BIG FAT ZERO.
I would rather go and find different scum and put my vote to good use than leave it on someone who I know is not going to get lynched toDay but as far as I am concerned seems scummy.
You don’t like that. Tough!
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So you’re not going to actually answer any of my questions, then? The tough-guy routine you’re pulling here is an interesting gambit.
But it doesn’t explain why you’re pushing to see a role PM that’s freely accessible to all.
Or why you’d want Nanook to offer his role name in light of the points I’ve already raised.
Or why you backed off of your vote, saying there was zero chance of a Nanook lynch, after all of seven (out of thirty!) players had chimed in between your post saying you wouldn’t unvote and your post unvoting.
Ignore me all you want. I’ll just keep asking.
Oh - and what is the evidence on the basis of which you so strongly suspect Nanook to be lying? Just one more for the currently-unanswered questions file.
And again CIAS…why the rush? We know that Nanook has a big old nightime bullseye on his back. If nanook is a witch, i do not see why he would not be protected. If nanook is NOT a witch, he’s a prime target for one of the 2 factions he then wouldn’t be a part of. Why this issue today?
[QUOTE=CatInASuit]
Seriously not impressed with the way the town has just rolled over.
I just hope I am wrong.
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Can you explain this a little more? I’m wondering what you think would have been the best (or, perhaps, more impressive) course of action after his claim.
Here are my thoughts on the claim: we’d be idiots to lynch a claimed Witch immediately. Witch power diminishes with each dead Witch, so the risk is too great. If Nanook is lying, he’s likely to get night-killed by another scum faction, investigated by someone on our side and revealed eventually, or revealed by a later Witch claim (hopefully a planned claim at an opportune time). We need to keep the hairy eyeball on him, of course.
In fact, we can test this claim, if I am not mistaken. Unless we lynch Nanook, the witches should investigate someone tonight. Nanook can report the result, and if it’s a scum result, we lynch that person. If it’s Town, well, that doesn’t help us in the short term, but it could give us a confirmed Town down the line. When life give you lemons and all that…
Seriously, CatInASuit, what do you want from him? Do you want his full PM with secret powers if any? How could that possibly help the town? If he isn’t a witch, he’ll probably get night-killed; if he is, the witches will protect him. At any rate, if he lives, his information will be testable. If he posted his PM without secret powers it would be the information we already have; with powers it can only hurt the town.
vote CatInASuit
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
Like what, pouring a bucket of water on him to see if he melts?
Any possibility of testing his claimed witchly powers would mean he’d have to somehow survive beyond tomorrow’s Dawn, which seems unlikely no matter what alignment he is.
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I thought we needed to dunk him in water? Or was that meant for ducks?
Unvote Nanook
[QUOTE=Redwing]
I’m willing to assume that you’re not an idiot,
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<Snipped all to heck>
Just gotta be my normal cantankerous self.
What would lead you to that conclusion? 
In the absence of a counter-claim…
Unvote Nanook
And the next auditionee will be:
Vote CIAS
I think that he is probably Romeo. If he claims Juliet he is still neck stretching but for a whole bunch of different reasons.
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
This, plus the fact that I think that the data from Oredigger’s original “lurker list” was manipulated to the point of meaninglessness, is causing me to keep an eye on him as well. It’s certainly not enough to take a vote off of Nanook, but I think Oredigger should be examined as well. I’m not a huge fan of lynch the lurker on Day One anyway, because I don’t think lurkers are any more likely to be scum than they are to be town this early in the game. Later in the game it might be an effective strategy, but now it just seems like a way to get a vote down without much accountability.
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[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
Well, on his original lurker list, there were three people at the bottom, other than myself and Pollux. One was Roosh, who had an excuse of being out of town, but the others did not have that excuse. Oredigger dismissed those people out of hand and focused on me and Pollux, and I think his reasoning for doing so (he said something about how those two might not have had time to check in or something) was specious. If you’re going to vote for the lurker in an attempt to prod posting, vote for the person who posted the least without having an excuse for doing so, and nobody else. Don’t make the excuses for them, or you’re just manipulating your stats.
I think, especially in this game, we had a LOT to go on to start voting at the beginning of this Day. You’ll notice that nobody really random voted, because we’d already been discussing the game for several pages. In essence, the Lynch the Lurker strategy becomes the closest thing to a random vote we’re going to get in this game.
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Well to start off lynch the lurker is not the closest that we are going to get in this game because apparently a place holder vote is another name for a random vote. But I’ll get to that. The data from my list was not manipulated in any way. The only part of the list that you would get different would be on the non-fluff part and that is because it is subjective and even there I stated what I based my call on. But I see its not my numbers that you object to instead it is my definition of a lurker. I think a lurker is someone who is reading the game but not posting. That way by voting for them you can get them to come out of the wood work and begin posting. The reason that I eliminated the bottom three is they never commented on the game or gave me any reason that believe they were out there watching the game and Ro0sh posted that he would be away so was eliminated from consideration. Voting for someone who is not reading defeats the purpose.
[QUOTE=Pollux Oil]
I don’t like exploiting things or looking for loopholes when I’m playing games. If you find me scummy for that, fine, but it’s a sentiment I’ll hold whether I’m pro-town or pro-scum or pro-myself.
Oh goody! Fun debate time! Let’s see here.
I posted during Night One saying I was surprised that there was so much to read. I wasn’t complaining either. Lots of talking is a lot better than lots of not talking. I then posted again recently saying I was surprised at the amount of talking there was. Wouldn’t it be fair to assume that I was still surprised that there was so much talking? Seriously?
Well excuse me. Getting into semantics here, are we? Nanook’s post with his “slip” was post #366. Pleonast’s post saying it was officially Day One was Post #386. Is it too much to stretch to assume that I read the entire page where Day One started? Sheesh. Next time I’ll be clear and mark exactly which post I started reading at. 
Maybe the point for you is to win, but the point for me is to stretch my brain and have a little fun. Make some Doper friends. Sure winning’s cool and all that, but this is a game mind you. And a mass claim would basically change the game from sussing out who’s Mafia from what they’re posting to sussing out who lied about their role claims. Less fun.
A placeholder vote means exactly what ShadowFacts said: it’s there so I don’t get modkilled. This was my first post of the Day: a random vote. Yeah it was a little later than other first posts but gimme a break.
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(#378)
[QUOTE=Pollux Oil]
Man, I really didn’t know what I was getting into with another game. 8 pages already. :smack:
As I said in the other Mafia game, RoOsh’s LOA is directly related to my lack of participation: I’ve been his host for the past few days. When he’s departed I can devote time to reading this monster of a thread.
8 pages already…my poor, poor brain.
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I guess I have trouble wrapping my mind around playing just for fun, but then again I’m a hyper-competitive asshole. I’m not sure if you’re counting 378 as your post during Night one or your recent one. I can understand being surprised by the numbers of posts but I figure that this rate will keep up until people die or start getting burned out so I guess the still surprised bit does seem weird to me. But what also seems weird to me is you make it pretty clear in 378 that you haven’t read up to that point and maybe its just me but when I’m catching up I go from below my last post, so starting over just to read your own post also seems weird. But speaking of weird you find that figuring out who is lying about being town is more fun then figuring out who is lying about their roles? I got to admit I don’t see a difference. As for the random vote I can understand not wanting to get modkilled but unless you’re planning on not posting again or letting this vote sit for the rest of the Day I don’t get the purpose. There are several people who haven’t made up their mind and because of this have held off voting. As for unvoting you I don’t think so just yet. Can I get some people to weight in on the weirdness I’m seeing?
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
Your second argument against **Pollux Oil **seems like a reach to me. While Nanook’s slip may have taken place during the Night, it has garnered him a ton of votes and discussion toDay. Aside maybe from the mass role claim, he’s been the #1 topic of conversation. If Pollux didn’t read Night One, he could still easily be up to speed on that situation. But actually, he didn’t say he didn’t read Night One, just that he didn’t “fully” read it. You turned that into “if he’s only read the Day as stated,” but he didn’t state that. I don’t like it when players put incorrect words in other players’ mouths.
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You’re right I did miss that “fully” maybe that means he read the last posts of the Night. But the discussion of Nanooks slip had already started by his post so if he read it then wouldn’t it make sense for him to comment on it?
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore]
I’m a Witch.
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Wow, I started typing this post yesterday at noon and as I’m reading to catch up before posting this crops up. My first thought is that being a witch alone does not explain his statements that everyone has a secret power especially when he states in #639 that he doesn’t have a power. This could end up being the worst slip of all time. But I don’t think that we have any choice but to see if he survives the night because if nothing else the other scum groups should want to kill him which should solve our problem for us. Hopefully next week won’t be as busy. Sorry for the delays.
A question to those who have access to the offboard for this game… this is going to be ultra super duper beyond metagaming, but help me out. Diomedes, as a witch last game, busted me because I tried to set up a new account to support my claim. It didn’t work, but I was wondering if we could have Nanook tell us the name of the offboard site, and then look at it and ask him to log on at a predetermined time. Then we would all see “witch 2” or whatever logging on at, say 0934, and it’d be a self verifying claim.
For now,
Unvote Nanook
Just in case the dope goes on a week long hiatus.
vote hawkeyeop