Happy Birthday Santo!
If I can get my work done this afternoon, I will have a little time to put some thoughts down.
Why don’t you try answering the question first? That’s why I voted for you - role PM? You mean the stuff readily available in the rules? Oh, you want his secret power? How could that be pro-town if you have any hope that he could be town?
I’m trying to figure it out, which is why I’m asking you stuff. One pro-Town reason is that you didn’t believe the claim and wanted Nanook to post more information about his role so you could catch him, now or later, in a lie. One pro-scum reason is that you were trying to get him to reveal info about his role so you could know what you were up against. Another pro-scum reason is that you want us to lynch a Witch, so you tried to cast disbelief/derision onto his claim so everyone wouldn’t unvote.
There may be other reasons, but that’s what I can come up with. I haven’t made up my mind about it yet, though, which is why I have held off voting.
Your initial question, which I answered, was this
*Can you explain this a little more? I’m wondering what you think would have been the best (or, perhaps, more impressive) course of action after his claim. *
And no, you are not accurate. But its a nice attempt to present my POV as something it is not.
What I am annoyed about is the way in which people have accepted **Nanook’s ** claim. Generally it appears that people are quite happy to wait for Nanook to either slip up of confirm at some point in the future. I don’t agree, hence my slightly more aggresive stance. I notice that no-one else even bothered to try and think of a reasonable test for Nanook to prove/disprove his claim.
Does that mean everyone agrees with me? Somehow I doubt it.
As to how I feel about Nanook’s lynch, it doesn’t matter. He is not going to be lynched so I am not going to bother thinking about it. All I see is the town floating along and hoping it will stumble into a good lynch. Personally, I’m not waiting around for that to happen.
Asking for his role PM was a bad reaction on my part, but I wanted to see something else other than just “I am a Witch” as a roleclaim to add a bit of clarity.
I could see people looking at the claim and just backing off and leaving it (I’m right on that so far), and I wanted something else to try and make sure it was not just a scum getting an easy ride.
CatInA, surely you don’t believe everything you’ve typed in the last two posts, right? First, it’s patently false that nobody bothered to think of a test. The obvious one has been mentioned, and that’s coming up with a scum investigation result with the correct alignment. It was even discussed that Cabal can’t block witches, and there were several posts going back and forth on the subject.
Secondly, give me a break, dude; do you honestly think that there is a possible way to verify any role on Day 1? Other than claiming a scum faction, I can’t think of any.
Thirdly, a fake Witch claim paints a HUGE target. We’re not playing in a movie where the sharks have “laser beams” on their heads, and he’s going to get away. If he’s scum, he’s got to play the role of Witch for the rest of the game, successfully defending likely counterclaims and additional scrutiny. * Isn’t that what you wanted?*
Like I said, it’s Day 1, and I feel very strongly that the risk of lynching a Witch far outweigh the reward of catching a scum who’s already guaranteed to get caught if he’s not a Witch. Do you not agree with that statement?
<pant pant>…
Ok, it’s up and running…we’ve got a live vote chart for this monstrosity. All entries are clickable, and will take you directly to the vote/unvote in question. If you find any screwups, by all means let me know and I’ll see about correcting them.
Um…I hate to say this, but isn’t Pleo already doing this (or at least something similar) as a value-added Mod service in his shared “Votes” doc?
I am still weighing my options, but will make a vote with as much conviction as I can muster (for someone other than myself) as soon as I feel ready.
Hey thanks, the click to the vote is very handy. Cookies, Pleo is only posting final votes not the intermediate ones, at least that was how I understood it…
Unfortunately, until Pollux gets back and answers my questions I have little to say in these discussions, at least any more then I already weighed in. Although I do want to call to every one’s attention his conspicuous lack of presence. He doesn’t post until I lynch the lurker him and then makes a couple of weird posts and then disappears again. The only thing in his favor is that even with three votes on him he is still gone so it probably is a real life issue or he is just hoping that interest will go else where.
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Just for note, the above two posts you mention were how I was feeling at the time **Nanook ** claimed. Next time I come back after a while and then post.
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Verifying roles on Day 1. Firefly. OK, not quite the same situation as here, but the point still stands. As for the test, I know, I think I proposed it, although **ShadowFacts ** clarified it. I was also involved in the discussion on Cabal roleblocking in which, fortunately, I was wrong, but strengthened the test.
Hypothetically speaking then as part of the test, if **Nanook ** only comes back with Town results for the next two Days, would you vote against him?
- I have given reasons why I think that Witch is a good role to claim for a scum. I have also said that he is now stuck in that role, and as everyone seems to want to, we might as well wait for him to be able to confirm or slip up in his role.
PS: Sharks with laser beams on their heads, which movie is that :eek:
Just a note: less than 48 hours until the end of the Day.
If you haven’t voted at least once, please do so are you will be mod-killed. This means you lose, even if your team later wins.
If you have a Day power, you must tell me how you will use it before the end of the Day, or lose its use for ToDay.
CIAS, I just don’t get it - you wanted a mass roleclaim so that people would be nailed down in their roles or lies, right? Nanook claimed, he claimed a verifiable role, why continue to hound him? He’ll either prove out or not, just like you said you wanted for all of us. It seems to me like you got what you asked Santa for Christmas but you keep bugging him about it.
Fricken Sharks with Fricken “Laser” beams wasn’t really too much for Dr. Evil to ask for! Was it?
Austin Powers.
Regardless, people besides yourself were thinking about how to verify a Witch claim without outing the other two. Heck, some jackass even tossed a completely unreasonable idea out there, but at least the wheels were turning.
Not without a counterclaim. Unless he’s a Vampire, he’s not going to be doing any more damage to the town than the 1/n voice he has during the Day; at Night, his faction would be just as strong without him.
As everybody but you seem to want to, because you just said you disagreed with it in one of the two above posts I was referring to.
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]International Man of Mystery]([/quote), of course. The clip just goes to the part where he’s talking about the sharks with the laser beams, but the scene is about how the villain always leaves the protagonist a way to get out of their overly intricate torture device and live to fight the villain again someday.
If I’m right and CIAS is town, he’s spoken to the point on several occasions, but to sum up, a mass claim locks scum into roles and a verifiable town block can close in on scum faster (I’m not arguing this point, just saying that this is the pro-mass-claim perspective) and that town has flipped too quickly in accepting Nanook’s role claim (again, his point not mine).
Unfortunately, CIAS is in a bit of a bind - if he backs down, he’s criticized for not holding firm and waffling under pressure; if he stands firm, people cry out “what would satisfy you?” I sympathize with the guy because it’s difficult for a townie to handle such a position, and, he’s understandably loathe to role-claim on his own.
Pretty much everything that can be said about Nanook’s claim has been brought up. I’m inclined to believe it for the time being myself, although I have to ask how we would be able to confirm him on the basis of his investigation results. (According to The Rules, a Witch only gets back alignment.)
CatInASuit’s attitude is something of a null tell, IMHO. A paranoid Townie would make pretty much the same accusations as a scum trying to cast doubt.
If a Night-killed player is resurrected by the Witchdoctor’s magic, is the town at large made aware of this fact in the Dawn post?
A player who is killed the same Night they’re enchanted by a Witchdoctor will still be reported dead that Dawn. At the next Dawn, instead of the revelation of the player’s side, the player will be reported as alive again.
Snipped.
Say, for example, a Witch reports investigation results of Player A being Cabal, Player B being a Wolf, and player C being Undead. When they come back as Cabal, Wolf, and Undead, respectively, we’d be sure that person was a witch with only, say, 1/(5^3) chance of doubt… 1/125 is pretty darn good, but it takes 3 Days to do it. 4 Days of successful investigations would give us 1/625; if that’s not confirmed, I don’t know what is.
Also, I’d like to ask that everybody gets their real vote in before the 24 hour mark. We’ve tried this in the past, and it never works, but I think justification for Tomorrow’s voting could quite possibly be being one of the last to switch/place your vote.
Yeah, I tried to make that happen in the previous Conspiracy game, but it never got traction. I think it’s a great idea. Of course, I still haven’t gotten a vote in toDay, so it’s time to step up 
Vote CatInASuit
To be honest, I’m still not sure about it yet, but I don’t have a better candidate at the moment. His anti-town requests for **Nanook’s **PM and powers, the seeming contradiction between his wanting a mass role claim and his strong negative reaction to Nanook’s claim, and a bristly response to my questioning him, is pretty much it, I’m afraid. But it’s more than I have on anyone else and I need to put my money where my suspicion is and get on record.
I’m also still slightly suspicious of OreDigger77 for what I saw as a somewhat manufactured case against Pollux Oil (I don’t have the post #s handy, but I commented on it in detail earlier - I can go back and dig it up if anyone wants me to).
You know, it wouldn’t be a mafia game if I didn’t raise hackles, garner a load of votes or get killed before Day 2.
Looks like I am going for the triple. 