Heh. I was totally thinking that too, but just wasn’t going to say anything.
Why do you say to the wolves delight, and any hints on how our town might verify your claim?
Maybe I can (as someone who used to be a werewolf, but is alright Nooooooow) help you understand.
The Detective is, from the Wolves point of view, Enemy #!. When the Detective investigates a kill, he gets a name, unless the killer was a Vampire.
The group most likely to be out there killing of a Night are the Wolves and the Vampire(s). So the Wolves are the players most at risk from the Detective. They are the only faction the Detectives can hurt.
The Wolves will be overjoyed to get a handle on a Detective (my failure to spot HockeyMonkey in the first Conspiracy was my biggest failure that game).
As to verification; his investigation results produce names; the players can be pushed to explain the allegation, and lynched if necessary. If they’re already dead, we will learn their alignment sooner or later.
I’m sorry… I simply couldn’t resist the punnage.
I don’t see any reason why any scum that we settle upon wouldn’t claim a role, here. Adding a couple extra days before a scum has outed themselves can probably make the difference between winning and losing for a faction.
Hell, even the Detective role isn’t terrifically verifiable: there’s plenty of space for null results, depending on how many vampires there are, plus roleblocking. I’m not saying I want to lynch Cat, but I am warning against allowing these roleclaims to keep forcing us to shift our votes around.
Here’s an interesting thought.
If we’d gone for the mass roleclaim, it’s quite likely that scum would have (maybe not universally, but in large numbers) have gone for the “safe” claims; Warlock, Magician et al, which are not easily disprovable.
If a player is looking at the wrong end of a lynch bandwagon that’s already built up a head of steam, that sort of “safe” claim isn’t necessarily going to deter a lynch, precisely because of that attitude you’re showing there. A scum looking at a lynch is going to have to claim one of the more valuable roles in order to persuade people not to lynch them.
A claim of Magician, for example, may lead people to unvote, but come back to that player later when three others have claimed other, more valuable, Town-aligned roles.
Oh damn, I guess this is the way things role when everyone is a power role. Both of the claims made so far are verifiable so I don’t see anyway around waiting for results. I guess we need to let the witches protect Nanook while the Witchdoctor protects CIAS. But I don’t see why CIAS would be a target of anyone besides the Wolves since according to the rule vampire kills will fail and the Cabalists don’t seem to have the ability to kill.
I am curious where everyone will turn with their votes. Pedescribe and Pollux just became the two leading vote holders. I think the case against Pollux makes sense especially since he’s only showed up long enough to ensure he doesn’t get mod killed. I’m going to have to give the case against Pede a better look and I will post my thoughts about which are stronger after a reread
Who’s this atarus guy? Oh…wait a sec…yeah it’s funny. 
So you have suspicions, but you don’t feel like sharing them, so you’ll jump on the biggest bandwagon that’s around at the time? raised eyebrow of doom
Okay this is a really long paragraph but from the gist of it, it seems like you think my post(s) are “weird.” But weird does not necessarily equal scummy, mind you. MadTheSwine and zuma were both weird, but they weren’t always necessarily scum. 
Because I play differently and hold different opinions on how to play than you doesn’t mean that I’m scum.
I can’t really answer any of your questions because honestly there’s really nothing more I can say about them. You’ve summed up my opinions and that’s what they are. I will say that I knew I was going to be away for the weekend and that’s why I put out a vote just in case. I figured I would be back in time to really vote but you never know what might happen.
…uber-freaky? Really? My post was THAT bad? Seriously? I mean, I’ll accept freaky, possibly “a little disturbing”…but uber-freaky? You had to bust out the German?
(bolding mine)
ArghasassafrassamumblejumbleLAKADJKEFIJFDGHSKJDFHL. THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID. You’re misinterpreting what I said, possibly on purpose.
I don’t like using loopholes in any games, not just Mafia. I will always be opposed to the idea of a mass claim, regardless of my alignment. It just makes the game unfun for me. I would also be vehemently opposed to Rugger’s meta-game plan that was already shot down as well. I never said I thought this was a game of chance, either, so thppppbth at that.
Waiting for what exactly? Did you miss my post here in response to Oredigger or something? Do you want MORE explanation than that?
I like you! 
THIS is my sentiments exactly. I just take what I consider in the “spirit of the game” to a different level. While other people may think a mass claim is fine and dandy, I don’t feel a mass claim is in the “spirit of the game.” That’s the last I’m going to say on the matter.
Errrr. What? No lynching is a BAD IDEA. We’re already handicapped on the alignment reveals. And sure we might get 3 kills tonight but we still won’t know what the hell they are either. another raised eyebrow of doom
Real life issue. Was away at a friend’s birthday/housewarming party for the entire weekend.
Of course the case against me makes sense, you’re voting for me! :rolleyes:
This post was pretty long responding to things so new post coming up with a non-placeholder vote and feelings on the claims.
Be careful with this line of reasoning. Although we’ve already seen your premise is true, it would serve the Witches well to distance themselves from each other to avoid detection.
Nanook as Witch - Pretty much everything has been said already. Either he’ll give us information in the future that’s correct, or he won’t and we’ll kill him. Or he’ll die anyway. Too much risk in lynching him on Day One.
CatinaSuit as Detective - I’ll buy this for now. I didn’t really see Cat as scum from the way he was acting. Again, he can give us information and if it turns out correct it’s all good. If it turns out wrong, we kill him. Or he’ll die anyway.
I will say it’s fairly suspicious that we hit two vital roles near the beginning, although both are good roles to extend their life for a little while with the reveal delay.
I’m suspicious of both Omi no Kami and brewha. Omi for the fact that he said “I have suspicions but I’m not going to say them and instead just vote for the vote leader.” Brewha for voting for no lynch because he didn’t want to “guess” at a lynch target.
I’m also worried about cckerberos. He could be a vital pro-town role, but he’s going to end up dead anyway if he doesn’t come back soon. We still get their information reveal and what-not, but the big question is do we want to lose possibly more than one townie toDay. Hmm.
Unvote Roosh
Vote cckerberos
If cckerberos comes back and votes, I’ll switch my vote to Omi or brewha. But I just don’t want to take the risk of losing two townies on the very first Day. And plus, hey, if he’s scum that’s awesome.
Definitely, but it wouldn’t serve the Witches well to have one pick up on another’s “slip” to the point of forcing him to claim. That line of reasoning only works in this situation, and it only works because of that fact.
And all that having been said, the only problem I have with CIAS’s claim is a slightly meta one–it just doesn’t behoove the Detective to play in a way that’s going to draw attention, particularly negative attention, from moment one of the game. I always figured the whole point of the Detective was to fly under the radar as much as possible, so as not to draw negative attention from the town or be sniffed out as a major power role by the scum. So while on one hand the ideas that CIAS had now make sense when viewed in light of the claim, I don’t necessarily think that the gameplay does.
Wait a tick! Something just clicked with me. I think you’re setting up a subtle false dichotomy here! Sure, I have 3 votes and pedescribe has 2 votes. But there are a ton of people with one vote and there are THIRTY FREAKING PLAYERS IN THE GAME. It should NOT become either me or pedescribe at this point. I know you didn’t say that outright but it seemed to be you were trying to imply it.
Well, crap. Crap crap crappity crap. Might as well unvote and let everybody hang out and verify themselves or not.
unvote CatInASuit
The three candidates that stand out to me now are brewha, cckerberos, and *Pollux Oil. brewha for the No Lynch vote - how can that possibly be pro-town in a game with delayed info? cckerberos for extreme lurking - I almost have to think something happened IRL, but on the other hand, most everybody else is contributing to the game for good or for ill. Pollux Oil because after not saying much at all he just did a big long showy post that said absolutely nothing also. Second post was better, but still.
At this point, I’m voting for brewha because while voting “no lynch” is, IMHO, never good for town, voting “no lynch” in a game with delayed information is decidedly anti-town.
vote brewha
Upon glancing up, I also do cautiously agree with Drain Bead’s concern about play style.
Well, as I stated earlier, the next person on my list of suspects is Oredigger77. The thing he did that I didn’t like I posted about earlier in post 542. When asked by Santo, I also followed up regarding the rest of **Oredigger’s case against Pollux Oil in post 551. My problem was that the case seemed like a reach to me - like he was tweaking Pollux’s statements to make them seem scummier than they were, i.e. that it was a manufactured case. It’s not much, but it’s more than I’ve got on anyone else, so I’m going with it for now.
**
Vote Oredigger77
Ok NAF’s vote for Pede was basically because he didn’t like her reasoning for voting for Pollux the vote isn’t explained initially but when prodded he gave an explanation in #699. The explanation was basically that Pede voted for Pollux for not posting in a while after Pede hadn’t posted in a while plus he didn’t like what he thought was a week vote against Pollux while claiming to be watching CIAS because giving a lame vote while having another possibility is apparently not pro-town. This case all boils down, after more explanation to thinking that Pede is playing for himself and bad play (#716).
Now CIAS’s case against Pede is a bit more interesting after listing a number of Pede’s posts CAIS finds that there is a trend towards talking about the Cabal (or not where it would make sense to) that seems suspicious. Reading the post (#730) it makes a lot of sense but the quotes are cherry picked and since they are over the course of 550 odd posts I don’t have time to reread each in context. Pede’s response to CAIS (#732) makes sense to me.
Now as far as the case against Pollux goes I got the ball rolling in #450 with my lynch the lurker strategy which has been much debated both over what a lurker is and whether it does any good or is a waste of time (I think those two thoughts are linked). I basically voted for Pollux second because he won the coin flip with Drain and the two of them and Ro0sh had participated but only once in the conversation. This caused Pollux to make an interesting post #526. Now admittedly I jumped on him for claiming to not read Night 1 but still have read Nanook’s post this was in error because he did admit to reading part of Night 1 (I still think this is weird based on how I read the boards but everyone is different). But then he does two things which are extremely weird one is stating that a mass role claim defeats the purpose of the game because finding scum lying about being town is different then finding scum lying about their role. Also after apparently reading all of Day 1 to that point and part of night one still finds nothing worth voting on and so places a random vote on Ro0sh which he hasn’t removed.
Dio immediately disapproves of this post and moves him to number two on her list (#527) and then votes for him (#685) after Nanook claims. Pedescride votes for him in #663 because he disappeared after this weird post. This was the post the NAF didn’t like and there really isn’t much meat in it but I’m not sure that I agree with NAF that being absent disallows your from voting for others for not being around, I am defiantly not anywhere near the top poster and the listing of CAIS isn’t necessarily bad. I do think that not fleshing out a vote in not pro-town so I agree with him there and so I think this post strengthens the case against Pede more then the case against Pollux.
As for which case is stronger I think that the two cases are equally built (two good posts for each) but I am comfortable leaving my vote where it is until Pede does something else or if Pollux ever comes back and brings a decent explanation.
Oh great, I preview after writing this and Pollux has come back :smack:. Ok, well I think that acting weird is a good enough reason to vote for a person on Day 1 and since you agree that you are acting exactly how I think you are my vote is going to stay on you. I still don’t like voting for cckerberos this is a throw away vote basically you are voting for someone who is going to be Mod-killed this does the town no good Pleo has already send him a PM reminding him to vote do you think your vote in thread will be more encouragement? We get the information either way so I see no benefit; this is the exact wrong way to do lynch the lurker that I mentioned. I don’t think replacing a random vote with a wasted vote improves you in my eyes.
I don’t think that I set up a false dichotomy, there is a definite trend in the mafia games that I have played in or read for vote to drop to people who have the best case built against them after a role claim, in most cases number of votes is a good indicator of the strength of the case. This is what I was going back to look at and I think both of these cases are decent so there is a good chance that votes will be redistributed between them.
The more I’m thinking about this, the more I like this plan.
**Unvote hawkeypoo
Vote cckerberos**
Maybe in your humble opinion a no lynch is never good for the town. But how is this guessing based on ‘slips’ or because someone proposes a strategy you don’t agree with working out for you? We’ve potentially outed a witch and a detective. Or, we forced scum to false claim.
This isn’t a normal game. We have ways of determining people’s alignments during the night. Instead of forcing people to claim or lie based on feelings…
Meh, forget it. I see my ‘no lynch’ vote ain’t gonna fly. So, with less than 24 hrs remaining and no one agreeing with me, my vote would be wasted to leave it there.
So Unvote no lynch
Jumping on someone else’s idea is opportunistic and scummy. I don’t blame Cookies, she has a point with her vote.
But, voting with no reason other than ‘me too’ is crap.
Vote Zsofia
I want stress that this is NOT a OMGUS vote. This is vote is for the complete lack of original thought and just regurgitating Cookies’ reasoning.
I shouldn’t of signed up for this game.
So, as it turns out, leaving my stuff at a skeevy storage place after I graduated and returning 4 years later was not the greatest idea I’ve ever had. I’ve been dealing with that, among other things , this week, and my internet time and access and time has been severly limited as I fix my last great college snafu. Things should be back to normal come Saturday. So I apologize profusely for my absence, and promise to do a much better job day two.
Hey, Pollux Oil! Glad to see you’re back! I’m going to
Unvote Pollux Oil
since my beef with you has mostly disappeared.
Also, CatInASuit. I’ve posted a comprehensive explanation and defense over my posts and I’m wondering, what will convince you that I’m not cabal? I’m not roleclaiming today, since things are getting out of hand already and I don’t want to add to the cacaphony (and I don’t really want to play at night since I just don’t have the energy or patience) but it seems like you’re ignoring me now that you’ve voted for me. I would like at least a mention, even if it’s just ‘I think you’re cabal and nothing else you say will change that’.
As for my next candidate…I can see Cat as the detective. It changes the interpretation of his idea, because as the misclaimed detective he could lead charges against 'soft’claimed wolves he’s sniffed out while deterring suspicion of him as a detective himself. So I’m not voting for him.
And other than that…Santo Rugger is pinging me, but that’s probably because of clashing playstyles rather than actual behaivor. I’m also slightly suspicious of Oredigger, but I think I’m mixing him up with someone else (which happens to me suprisingly often). So I’ll have to reread before I place another vote.
Caveat: I completely skimmed from post 800 onward. Of course, that’s only 19 posts, but there was no way I could get fully read everything while keeping the vote chart updated, all while getting off the computer before my wife started tapping her foot. So, the chart is updated through post 800, and my voting is based on thorough reading through that point, and skimming thereafter.
And the skim gets the vote, for now anyway.
brewha, aren’t you kinda falsely representing Zsofia reasoning? “Jumping on someone else’s idea is opportunistic and scummy”? Huh? Every time we lynch someone, it’s because someone points out a reason for the lynch, and others agree. Not going along with someone else’s idea either means you’re the first one to vote for a particular person, or you’ve come up with new evidence for someone already under scrutiny. The idea that agreeing with someone else is scummy flies in the face of almost all voting in the game. Nope…don’t like it one bit.
Vote brewha