[QUOTE=dotchan]
…and rats, hoisted by my own petard. Oh, well. No harm in a little fanservice, right?
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I have no idea what that means, and I am OK with that.
My theory is that everyone not in here watching Dotchan in cage, is off on their own super secret scum board watching their own depraved form of entertainment.
I say lynch ém
Ok, I’ll play. And since I am not that good at this whole coding thing so my responses will be in italics, I hope.
[QUOTE=NaturalBlondChap]
Cage dancing, well why not, seams to be the only thing happening here tonight, so may as well get some discussion going whilst we sup our ales and watch Dotchan in a cage (a he or a she?).
Dot is definitely a she
As for my last minute voting, I think it should be noted there were several others who jumped in there at the last minute, people who did not have votes out for others and decided to ensure Darth swung. Now as it turned out this was a good thing, but at the time they did not know who Darth was, well maybe they did know he was not one of them. It seams like they were just hanging around waiting to ensure the vote did not go to Oredigger.
IMHO last minute = bad. And I won’t definatively answer for any last minute votes but their stated reason was to prevent a tie. Unlike a certain network station.
Incidentally I was going to respond to Fluid druids post back in 848, but apparently I get defensive, which is a scum tell according to Fluid. Well it is a scum tell if it is me, for others it is a sign of being townie, as we see back in 740 from Fluid
Quote fluid in post 740
I just don’t feel it. CIAS is acting a bit hostile and reactionary, but based on my past experience, I can really only assume it’s defensive townie behavior
So I guess defending oneself is OK if Fluid has a reason to like you, bad if Fluid is trying to fabricate a case against you.
Inconsistencies like that could make someone suspicious.
. I agree with your analysis.
As for I support lynch a lurker eh???,
Quote=Fluid post 848
Further his whole contribution to strategy seems to be echoing ‘lynch lurkers’ - strong stuff for someone who didn’t post for five days, and has posted so little of real consequence regardless.
Well ignoring the 50 odd post I have made which have included a fair bit of meaningful discussion, about my only comment on lynch the lurker was back on the 15th where I stated I thought it carried huge risks by accidentally getting powerful pro town roles that are lying low, and fluid even responded to that in post 302, but that gets left out.
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IMHO ‘lynch lurkers’ is always batted around early in a game. I won’t say it’s a bad strategy but it’s not because lurkers are more likely to be scum, it’s because lynching players who don’t participate that much, even if they end up being town, isn’t as great of a loss as lynching your top contributors unnecessarily.
That whole post 302 points to another contradiction in Fluids logic. In 302 she says that lynching lurkers is OK if it is clearing out non participants. Yet in 848 we have her calling for my blood because in her perception I am deliberately lying low.
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but I do think he’s intentionally lying low
So what is it, even after the suggestion that lying low could be pro town in some cases, you say get rid of non participants and go on to say lurking is not a scum tell, yet now you say deliberately lying low is a scum tell.
And I want this to be on the record, personally. My position is that instead of lynch the lurker is should be vote the lurker to prod them to post. If they don’t respond then stretch 'em.
As for the rest of it, it makes as much sense as my initials being NBC which is a cable channel, QED I must be channeling Cabal.
Nit Pick NBC is not a cable channel where I live
I think at the end of the day scum had twigged that a low number of meaningful votes was required to get someone to the top of the list and thus triggering a role claim. I had one random vote already, so why not float it out and see what comes back, maybe pressure me into an early role claim. For Darths lynch, he had his own vote and did not appear to be coming back, so was an easy start for the wolves to get someone else up in the gallows. I say look for wolves in the early Darth accusers.
Role claim? Where does that come from? I think my vote, while pre-empted by pedescribe’s logic ended up being just fine, thank you
Where are the Cabal, wel they could have been jumping trying to save Darth, but with such a low vote count it would be noticable and pretty suicidal. Hell maybe they saw he was a gonner and voted against him.
With such a low vote I just don’t see a bussing going on
As town we need to be very aware that the few votes required to get an early role claim is not good, and we need to keep several targets for a lynch under scrutiny at anyone time.
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Totally agreed. That’s why I would like to see the non voters give some reason for their position
[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Assuming that not all of us will make it through the night is it at all helpful to get our suspicions down before Day break?
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I fully agree. While there’s no voting til day, I’m pointing a big stinky FOS at CatInASuit and NaturalBlondeChap for their last minute votes.
If I understand NBC’s reasoning, he voted for Oredigger because he thought the wolves were voting for D.S. to protect Oredigger? I don’t buy that since Oredigger wasn’t even in the running for a lynch until CIAS and NBC voted for him.
I do agree that it’s a sad deal that we pushed a lynch with only 17% voting for the lynchee. But, we had little to go on day one. Hopefully we’ll have more substance on day two.
[QUOTE=brewha]
I fully agree. While there’s no voting til day, I’m pointing a big stinky FOS at CatInASuit and NaturalBlondeChap for their last minute votes.
If I understand NBC’s reasoning, he voted for Oredigger because he thought the wolves were voting for D.S. to protect Oredigger? I don’t buy that since Oredigger wasn’t even in the running for a lynch until CIAS and NBC voted for him.
I do agree that it’s a sad deal that we pushed a lynch with only 17% voting for the lynchee. But, we had little to go on day one. Hopefully we’ll have more substance on day two.
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Brewha, it certainly would not be the first time I posted incomprehensible waffle and I think you misunderstand what I was trying to get across. Certainly Catinahat and I probably look suspicious. However my reasoning above was not to say why I posted last minute, but to ask the question, why two players who had no outstanding vote, Storyteller and MHaye (they did not change from someone else) suddenly decided to jump in and ensure Darth was lynched after my vote. If they believed he should have swung for valid reasons, then they should have put a vote in earlier, but they remained safe with no incriminating vote (remember Darth could have turned up town) out there as it looked like Darth was going to swing instead of Oredigger. When a risk of oredigger being lynched appeared they jumped immediatly and voted for Darth.
As you say tomorrow we will have more information, namely some dead bodies and prehapse some help from our town roles. Typically I beleive we use this and a voting record. Gven the poor data we have on the voting record, I would agree with Peecupcpa that those with no outstanding vote get asked some questions.
Whilst we are here , we do have another issue to handle, related to the role claims. Is there any benefit, before tomorrow, in establishing an order in which you 3 reveal the results of your night or early morning work, that may give us a warm and fuzzy to the validity of your claimed roles.
[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Ok, I’ll play. And since I am not that good at this whole coding thing so my responses will be in italics, I hope.
Totally agreed. That’s why I would like to see the non voters give some reason for their position
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You coding is worse than mine, I suggest more margs on the rocks.
The bit about forcing role claims was not aimed at anyone in particular, just floating an idea. My logic went something like this,
After Nannok role claimed, after not that many votes (what he had 4 or 5 at the time) it presented an opportunity to the scum to get more role claims.
At the time it would seam that all they needed to do was get 3 or 4 votes on one person and that person sung like a bird. Thus we ended up with the coroner, witch and detective (if all are true claims) exposed.
I understand why the people claimed, after all it only took 5 votes for Darth to swing (ignoring those last second two votes). Also I am not saying that there was no valid reason to vote for the 3 outed roles, but lack of votes required for a lynch is a big problem for the town and it may be the cause of outing some of our key roles. People not voting is helping scum get an easy result for few votes.
A few have claimed that they did not have enough info to go on, I don´t buy that at all.
[QUOTE=brewha]
I fully agree. While there’s no voting til day, I’m pointing a big stinky FOS at CatInASuit and NaturalBlondeChap for their last minute votes.
If I understand NBC’s reasoning, he voted for Oredigger because he thought the wolves were voting for D.S. to protect Oredigger? I don’t buy that since Oredigger wasn’t even in the running for a lynch until CIAS and NBC voted for him.
I do agree that it’s a sad deal that we pushed a lynch with only 17% voting for the lynchee. But, we had little to go on day one. Hopefully we’ll have more substance on day two.
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This will get me into trouble but meh!
My vote was partly tactical, in that I was trying to ensure that if **Darth Senstive ** decided to log on in time and vote for someone else, he could vote for someone other than brewha, and so prevent **brewha ** being lynched. So I had a look at the others with two votes, seeing as no-one else was going to vote for pedescribe, and out of them, **Oredigger77 ** was the next scummiest.
And yes, I think **Oredigger77 ** is scummy and would have been happy with him being lynched.
I don’t understand **NBC’s ** vote, but can understand **MHaye’s ** and **storyteller’s ** actions.
[QUOTE=dotchan]
I’m all girl, fellas. And cute, Asian, and single.
Did I mention I also like video games and sports? 
…and rats, hoisted by my own petard. Oh, well. No harm in a little fanservice, right?
Climbs into the cage and dances very badly, because she sucks at this kind of thing.
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Fan service is a good thing.
::Offers drink::
[QUOTE=NaturalBlondChap]
You coding is worse than mine, I suggest more margs on the rocks.
The bit about forcing role claims was not aimed at anyone in particular, just floating an idea. My logic went something like this,
After Nannok role claimed, after not that many votes (what he had 4 or 5 at the time) it presented an opportunity to the scum to get more role claims.
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Sorry, but that’s not very accurate.
Nanook accumulated a total of ten votes [post=9923958]before he claimed[/post]. You can check for yourself on the official vote count, because Pleo records the post numbers for votes placed and removed. That lynch-mob had worked up quite a head of steam, and claiming then was not unreasonable. As I’ve said before though, I doubt whether a claim of (say) Warlock would have prevented his lynch; people might have been prepared to lynch a player with an unproveable roleclaim over (say) Detective and Coroner.
CIAS had only five votes when he claimed. in [post=9936078]post 794[/post]; however, that had just over 24 hours to go, and he was well into the evening in London (trust me on this). He got the claim out in order to give us time to settle on a third victim. If he’d waited a day, we’d have been scrambling to find another lynch in the last hour or so.
As for Brewha : if he hadn’t claimed he would have been lynched, and left the claim quite late.
No, I have no problems with the timing of any of these claims.
[QUOTE=CatInASuit]
This will get me into trouble but meh!
My vote was partly tactical, in that I was trying to ensure that if **Darth Senstive ** decided to log on in time and vote for someone else, he could vote for someone other than brewha, and so prevent **brewha ** being lynched. So I had a look at the others with two votes, seeing as no-one else was going to vote for pedescribe, and out of them, **Oredigger77 ** was the next scummiest.
And yes, I think **Oredigger77 ** is scummy and would have been happy with him being lynched.
I don’t understand **NBC’s ** vote, but can understand **MHaye’s ** and **storyteller’s ** actions.
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I’m having trouble remembering why were you protecting Brewha?
As for the votes against me I think the explanations are kinda weak. NBC claimed he was trying to prevent a tie by bringing the vote counts closer together. CAIS said she wanted to give Darth a way out of getting lynched that didn’t involve Brewha. I don’t think either of these are protown but I don’t think they are our main concern. At least they are involved in the game and leaving votes and posts to be looked over later.
This brings me to what I’m going to look at toNight. Mainly those who are not posting or voting. I was planning on dropping lynch the lurker after Day 1 because we have plenty of actions to go over to find scum. But I think that these people by allowing 1/6th of us to decide a lynch are going to give the game away. Unfortunatly since they are not participating building a case against them will be impossible so I’m hoping I can get enough people to agree with me on principle and vote that way. But I’m not hopeful and will continue looking for scum and vote that way when this plan is passed on.
Ah, now I remember, Brewha’s claim. Sorry I guess that makes CAIS’s story stronger and much more protown. I still am not sold on protecting an unconfirmed role but its much better.
[QUOTE=NaturalBlondChap]
Brewha, it certainly would not be the first time I posted incomprehensible waffle and I think you misunderstand what I was trying to get across. Certainly Catinahat and I probably look suspicious.
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Yep, my thoughts exactly.
NBC I can see townie reasoning in every other vote cast after brewha claimed but yours. I can not see a tie result (the same as a no-lynch remember, no coin flips here) being in the town’s favor.
I have not seen you answer this question. I have seen you try to avoid answering a couple of times. I have seen you attempt to introduce other issues. I will be direct and concise: What townie reasoning is there for making a tie more likely?
I will note that the likelihood of a tie is increased in this case due to the leading vote getter having voted for himself. I will also note that your action would’ve permitted the leading vote getter to change the lead simply by moving his vote from himself and applying it to the second place person.
[QUOTE=Oredigger77]
As for the votes against me I think the explanations are kinda weak. NBC claimed he was trying to prevent a tie by bringing the vote counts closer together. CAIS said she wanted to give Darth a way out of getting lynched that didn’t involve Brewha.
This brings me to what I’m going to look at toNight. Mainly those who are not posting or voting. I was planning on dropping lynch the lurker after Day 1 because we have plenty of actions to go over to find scum. But I think that these people by allowing 1/6th of us to decide a lynch are going to give the game away. Unfortunatly since they are not participating building a case against them will be impossible so I’m hoping I can get enough people to agree with me on principle and vote that way. But I’m not hopeful and will continue looking for scum and vote that way when this plan is passed on.
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Katherine continues to be a sexually identity challenged player(snerk like a mofo).
And I will repeat myself. Instead of LTL (patent pending) it should be more vote the lurker. If said lurker fails to respond, then ride the lightning.
[QUOTE=Redwing]
I do find myself somewhat concerned with the NBC thing.
At post 881, Darth had 4 votes, brewha had 2, and Oredigger had 2. CIAS, in post 884, mentions three people who’ve had or have votes on them at this point, and picks Oredigger from his list making it 4 to 3. Posts 889 and 890 gives two posters who will not allow a tie. In post 894 I vote for Darth, trying to make a tie at the last minute less likely, making it 5 to 3. At that point it was Darth up by 2. NBC, 6 minutes later, in post 894, with 3 minutes remaining, votes for Oredigger to prevent a tie (5 to 4. Mhaye and story both vote for Darth in the final minutes, sealing his fate (7 to 4).
As far as I can tell, Oredigger was never in the lead, or tied for it. There were a couple of points where he was behind by only one vote, but when NBC posted he was down by two votes, and there were two people watching to prevent a tie. I can’t quite follow how voting for Oredigger would’ve ever reduced the chance for a tie. Certainly not after post 881, let alone after post 894.
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And when the television channel switched his vote it could have been as easy as a DS unvote/vote post that would have had our VP sitting in the Oval noose.
Now story and mhaye could still have swung the vote to DS but… timing is everything. Did DS forget to set his alarm clock? Who knows. But in any case I suggested that we put our suspicions down so …
If I live through the night then first thing the next Day there will be a big 'ole blue post Voting for a TV Channel To Be Named Later. Wink, wink, nod, nod kind of nonsense.
And now I see a fallacy in being so blatant in voicing suspicions. Because those scum Gastards are still potentially at work being very vocal right now could still swing a hit decision. I made my bed and now have to sleep regardless but for the rest of the town - do what you will. And assuming that I don’t make it till the dawn FCS pressure those folks with no vote at the end of the day. They knew enough to vote at some point but chose not to leave anything on the record when it ultimately mattered. Bad ju ju at best and clearly anti town no matter what. And if I had to focus it would be on the non role claimers of the bunch since they have really have not provided any kind of accountible (sp?) base line.
Shoot, just working this 'till the end.
It would be nice if there were more interaction but what the hey. I now see that the fucking Gastard Mod probably put this night strategy discussion nonsense into his equation to balance this monster. I mean, we are thinking while those scum fucktards are talking. And keep an eye on the players who don’t contribute shit (Hal Briston) 'cause that’s where the sucker punch is going to come from if we are not careful.
[Elmer fudd]So be vewwy vewwy careful my townie friends.[/elmer fudd]
[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Katherine continues to be a sexually identity challenged player(snerk like a mofo).
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Gee thanks, puckerup. It’s not my fault **Golddigger77 ** has been drinking too many of **Diomedes’s ** concotions.
Peeky, you coding comes on in leaps and bounds, mine not so much. I do agree that the night discussion would be useful and definitly protown, and the benefits probably out weigh the risks of attracting night scum attention, providing we are a little circumspect. Plus it might seam more like a game than sitting in the dark awaiting a clump over the head.
Redwing, yes I have raised other discussion points, discussion which may or may not go anywhere, I am still interested to know if the is any milage to be gained in discussing the best order for our claimees to reveal the information of their day or nights work that might help verify their roles. I have not addressed my reasoning for my late in the day vote, initially I trieds to pass it off as a foolish miscalculation and duck under the radar. I am not going into the whys and wherefores, peeky has a point about giving away too much at night, suffice it to say, there was not a lot of info out there and it prompted some interesting reactions. We will know more in the morning, assuming we are still around to discuss.
[QUOTE=NaturalBlondChap]
I have not addressed my reasoning for my late in the day vote, initially I trieds to pass it off as a foolish miscalculation and duck under the radar.
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Oooh, a Magic Bag! Everyone LOVES those. What’s the pro-town reason for keeping your reasoning to yourself now, especially since you may end up dead in the Morning and that analysis could be lost forever?
[QUOTE=CatInASuit]
Gee thanks, puckerup. It’s not my fault **Golddigger77 ** has been drinking too many of **Diomedes’s ** concotions.
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I know, my friend. I just find it comical that almost universally you are initially assumed to be penis lacking to the uninformed.
I think there is another poster that has a cow something or other handle that is likewise challenged.
[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
Oooh, a Magic Bag! Everyone LOVES those.
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Want to bet that its a mass role claim?
Of course it might not be a bad plan to discuss that again after looking at the number of role claims made on Day 1 and the number of votes that it takes to lynch apparently. We will probably get faster claims.