Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! [Game Over]

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[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
*The Vigilante does not target himself until the night after the side is revealed.

NBC shows up dead dawn of Day 2
Night 2, Vig does not target himself
Dawn of Day 3, NBC’s alignment is revealed
Night 3, Vig targets himself if NBC is revealed town.

Please correct me if I am wrong here, but that’s how I interpret the ruleset.
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Day late, dollar short and all. You read it exactly the same way I do.

pedescribe needs to go bye bye. Matter of fact, I would propose that any further discussion of him is just static at this point.

On to our secondary targets. At least for me.

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[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]

Oredigger, don’t think I didn’t notice your attempt to table the **pedescribe ** discussion back on the last page.
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Yeah, this. Oredigger has been pinging my scumdar massively all along, and is definitely my second runner-up. I would have voted for him Today were it not for the pedescribe thing, and that post you’re referring to definitely put another point in that column. I do think it’s a good idea to discuss targets other than pedescribe Today, don’t get me wrong, but to vote for someone other than pedescribe seems simply foolish.

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[QUOTE=pedescribe]
Alright, I understand if you all want to lynch me for incompetence (IOW, it was bleeping stupid of me to use my powers) but consider this: except for the unlikely possibility that NBC is scum (and given how this Day is going for me, I doubt fate will be so kind), I’m scheduled for death tonight anyway. If all ya’ll leave off me for a day, you can hit someone else scummy. And if I die, the problem’s solved. If I don’t, and NBC’s town, you can lynch me tommorow, and if he’s scum, you can do whatever.

(snip)
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On the other hand, if you’re doomed anyway (in other words: if you’re a Vig), our mislynch toDay would be the lynch of a doomed townie. Which, in my book, is cheaper than the mislynch of a not-doomed townie. Or the waste of someone’s abilities (Scotsman, for instance).

Given your tendencies to kill for the sake of killing, letting you live for another Day might mean that you’ll kill and/or waste someone else’s abilities this Night.

Add to that the fact that your reactions toDay seem pretty scummy to me, I think we definitely should lynch you.

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I’m typing this on my cell so forgive any errors.

I’m glad you guys noticed my post I just wish you’d commented on it’s content instead of just noticing. First of all I was wrong I thought the vig would kill himself immeaditly if he killed wrong. I guess everyone who thinks that lynching Pede will stop a kill toNight are assuming he is a vamp. If he is a wolf they will get a kill anyway. If he is a killing cabal its a good assumption they can kill without him. If he’s town he’s probably learned his lession and wont kill untill he’s sure. Only taking out a vamp will actually change the scum kill count.

I’m not saying not to lynch him I just think that there are other people who are hurting the town worse. Now that we know he’s scum we can basically ignore his comments so he can’t lead us astray. But those people not contributing with post or votes are who will cost the town the biggest.

Here’s hopin’ you do more then notice I posted this.

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[QUOTE=Drain Bead]
Yeah, this. Oredigger has been pinging my scumdar massively all along, and is definitely my second runner-up. I would have voted for him Today were it not for the pedescribe thing, and that post you’re referring to definitely put another point in that column. I do think it’s a good idea to discuss targets other than pedescribe Today, don’t get me wrong, but to vote for someone other than pedescribe seems simply foolish.
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Also, in-depth discussion of “number two targets” without voting for them can give information to pro-Town secret powers and kills, like the real Vig assuming pedescribe ain’t it.

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[QUOTE=Oredigger77]
I’m glad you guys noticed my post I just wish you’d commented on it’s content instead of just noticing. First of all I was wrong I thought the vig would kill himself immeaditly if he killed wrong. I guess everyone who thinks that lynching Pede will stop a kill toNight are assuming he is a vamp. If he is a wolf they will get a kill anyway. If he is a killing cabal its a good assumption they can kill without him. If he’s town he’s probably learned his lession and wont kill untill he’s sure. Only taking out a vamp will actually change the scum kill count.
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Two points here:

1., the reason to lynch is because we’ve found scum, not because of night kills. If we have a choice between scum then we can split hairs, but we have an all-but-confirmed scum on our hands vs. a potential townie than scum is the better choice any time.

2., why is it a good assumption that a secret Cabal killing power will work for the whole group? The rules state that it could be either way, and considering the huge advantage of a night kill, limiting it to a single player is a potential balancing force.

This makes no sense. We should avoid voting for someone who you admit is scum in order to vote for someone else? For what possible purpose? The only reason not to lynch pedescribe is if you think he’s not scum or if there’s another confirmed scum player. There is no reason to leave a scum alive to lynch a lurker, and this is terrible reasoning to begin with.

vote pedescribe[

and FOS on you, Oredigger.

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[QUOTE=Oredigger77]

I’m not saying not to lynch him I just think that there are other people who are hurting the town worse. Now that we know he’s scum we can basically ignore his comments so he can’t lead us astray. But those people not contributing with post or votes are who will cost the town the biggest.

Here’s hopin’ you do more then notice I posted this.
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The deal is, is that if he’s a Wolf, he’s going to do their kill tonight again. We want the Wolves to have to switch their killer as often as possible, in order to give our Detective(s) as much utility as possible.

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I think oredigger is making a lot of sense. He’s being unorthodox, sure, but that’s because he’s not living in fear of being lynched. Pollux Oil made sense as a target, and I’m not sure that we should be so hasty in attacking him.

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[QUOTE=pedescribe]
I think oredigger is making a lot of sense. He’s being unorthodox, sure, but that’s because he’s not living in fear of being lynched. Pollux Oil made sense as a target, and I’m not sure that we should be so hasty in attacking him.
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Wait, what?

Is this another one of those super secret scum signals sent during the daytime? Is hockeymonkey going to blow me up now? The hell does Pollux have to do with anything?

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In the below post, **Oredigger ** attacks Pollux Oil with a specious argument that **Pollux ** was trying to say that lynching a known scum was bad and we should keep looking.

Oredigger post 540:
Third, making the game too easy??? Seriously WFT the point is to win this is the equivalent of saying that we should lynch scum that admit but instead keep looking.

Here in this post he says that lynching someone we almost certainly know is anti-town/scum is bad and we should keep looking.

Oredigger post 714:
Because of this I’m going to suggest that we put Pede on a shelf and try to get some participation from the peanut gallery. There are three options with Pede one is that he is scum in which case we can ignore him and then come back later and lynch him, two is that he is a vig who killed town and he will die without or help on Day 3, three is that he is a vig that got lucky and killed scum in which case we can decided whether to lynch him or not later.

You can’t have it both ways. My pointy finger is squarely leveled in your direction Oredigger.

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Wait, what?

Is this another one of those super secret scum signals sent during the daytime? Is hockeymonkey going to blow me up now? The hell does Pollux have to do with anything?
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:smiley: I certainly left an impression didn’t I?

If I was at 99% that **pedescribe ** was scum before his post, I’m at 100% now.

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Wait, what?

Is this another one of those super secret scum signals sent during the daytime? Is hockeymonkey going to blow me up now? The hell does Pollux have to do with anything?
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Vote Top Dog and all that, don’t you know.

And now that Od is secondary, in my book, we move to tertiary targets.

Shiite, this is getting fun again.

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This’ll teach me to plan a vacation for the Fourth of July weekend and spend a day packing and getting ready for it!

I mentioned this in the Cecilvania thread, but I’m going to be away for the Fourth of July weekend (as I’m sure many other people are). I’ll be traveling Wednesday so little to no participation from me then, but Thursday onward I should have some internet access although I’m probably not going to be spending much time on the computer. I’ll be back Sunday.

[QUOTE=Oredigger77]
<beginning snipped>
Because of this I’m going to suggest that we put Pede on a shelf and try to get some participation from the peanut gallery. There are three options with Pede one is that he is scum in which case we can ignore him and then come back later and lynch him, two is that he is a vig who killed town and he will die without or help on Day 3, three is that he is a vig that got lucky and killed scum in which case we can decided whether to lynch him or not later. But if we allow players to continue to lie low and not participate they get the free days that we are ignoring them and then the time we spend prodding them before they get lynched which could be up to six Days just to get those with no standing votes yesterday not to mention those who avoided mod kill. With that in mind I’m going to;
Vote Hawkeyeop
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…facepalm Wait a minute…didn’t you say earlier when you were making your case against me that…

[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
<snipped post where she makes the same point I was going to>

You can’t have it both ways. My pointy finger is squarely leveled in your direction Oredigger.
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…oh hey Hockey Monkey, you already pointed that out.

But yeah, what she said! I point my finger at you, Oredigger, and wave it in a suspicious manner. You’re contradicting yourself already, which doesn’t look good at all for you.

Pedescribe’s actions, defense, and explanations just don’t jive with me. I’ll just go ahead and:

Vote pedescribe

[QUOTE=pedescribe]
I think oredigger is making a lot of sense. He’s being unorthodox, sure, but that’s because he’s not living in fear of being lynched. Pollux Oil made sense as a target, and I’m not sure that we should be so hasty in attacking him.
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[Kyle Broflovski]Really?[/Kyle Broflovski]

Pedescribe’s defense has been awfully fishy, and Oredigger’s words have been contradictory, but this…this is…really? I, for one, don’t think two scum buddies would be THIS blatant about things, would they?

[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Wait, what?

Is this another one of those super secret scum signals sent during the daytime? Is hockeymonkey going to blow me up now? The hell does Pollux have to do with anything?
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ksssssh Bad Wolf to Fox Den, he’s on to us. Send in the clowns, over.ksssssh

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Wow! People agreed with my idea and I got praised for it! One of my ideas was not met with revulsion, hatred and 7 pages of discussion on how terrible it is! And Praise from **Storyteller **and **Dio **no less! You like me! You really Like me! I feel so snuggled!
Ahem, moving on wards and ever outwards… (Though I notice Nanner’s has been quiet today, on the subject but that’s fine. I understand you can’t be on this game all the time. You gotta take breaks and pace yourself).

That being said… Oredigger, you’re an interesting fellow.

[QUOTE=Pollux Oil]

Pedescribe’s defense has been awfully fishy, and Oredigger’s words have been contradictory, but this…this is…really? I, for one, don’t think two scum buddies would be THIS blatant about things, would they?
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I wouldn’t think so either, but stranger things have happened. Though, I’m curious to see what turns up from NBC, then Peds, and then maybe we’ll know a bit more about the situation to judge this matter.

That being said:

I really don’t like contradictory actions from other players. Of course, I’m the guy that’s known for saying Townie Power Roles should lie (Nice to see you mentioning that part **CiaS **back in Day 1 in your mass reveal thing btw). But I believe that if you lie you should hang if you can’t prove your townieness. Ie: Lying is NOT a good thing, and lynch all liars and all that- unless they can prove a DAMN good reason for their lies.
But I also tend to dislike those who show contradictions in their actions- either you play Pro-Town the whole damn game, or you don’t… and you die for the hesitation.

So I’m def. wanting to know more, ORelyDigger:
-What’s caused your change of heart? From picking on **Pollux **yesterday to pretty much doing the same thing?
-Why shouldn’t we lynch scum, or someone who we think really has a good chance of being scummy? (Namely, your idea of putting scum on a shelf to kill later. That’s just a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE idea, especially in a game where information and time delays matter OH so very much…)
You can have a FoS as well if you want (though in these games on the Dope, I don’t place as much value on them since I ACTUALLY use the color coding of the FoS in the offboard sites when I search my posts. Here I can’t do it as easily. So I’ll just mention you’ve been noted).

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A repeat of the questions I asked earlier which appear to have been lost in the haze.

The players who did not vote, why did you not vote and who would you have voted for?

Nanook: why did you complain about the number of votes required to lynch Darth Sensitive, but not actually vote yourself?

**CoG888 ** as someone who avoided modkill at the least moment, what are your thoughts on the game so far?

I look forward to some answers. If you have already answered them, my apologies. If you don’t want to answer them, so be it.

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[QUOTE=NAF1138]
Because he was Shadow. He wasn’t telling us to not lynch Pedescribe, but he WAS setting up the possibility of lynching story in the near future. I just finished a game where I pulled a very similar gambit, I know it when I see it. Look at Dio’s posts again and tell me that they are not leaning far more towards “story is probably not town” than “let’s wait and see what happens”. I want to call him on that before people start agreeing with him.
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Sorry I took so long to respond to this, NAF. It’s probably a stale point by now, but I don’t like to leave comments to me unaddressed. I went back and re-read Dio’s posts and I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. What I see is someone who doesn’t want us to get complacent about claimed roles, which I think is a good idea. (Maybe I’m oversensitive from Cecilvania where a scummy story false claimed and used that claim to lynch me, but still). But even if Dio is saying “story is probably not town,” that’s still a FAR cry from advocating that story die now, which is what you claimed he was saying.

Here’s my summary of the exchange, using actual quotes:
Roosh (to story): “I’ll count you as Town in my book then for now.”
Diomedes: “I really don’t want to give one of our most skilled players [story] a free pass as a townie when it’s not for sure.”
NAF1138: “…why does [story] need to be dead right now?”

To me, this is an example of putting scummy words into another player’s mouth, which I have said earlier is one of my red flags.

And on a completely unrelated note, my vote for Oredigger yesterDay is looking really good right now :cool:

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After weighing my options through most of Day 1, I picked up on brewha’s attempt at avoiding scrutiny and cast my vote for him in post #788.

He claimed in post #836.
I unvoted for him in post #854.

We had an exchange about how he had referred to my case against him.

In post #898 I explain that neither Darth nor Oredigger had been players that I had much of a read on, other than noticing Darth’s self-vote. With things being so close, I did not feel comfortable weighing into the tie-breaking exchange with so little to go on for either of the front-runners.

brewha’s claim was at 06-25-2008, 02:52 PM (DopeTime) and the day ended at 06-25-2008, 07:00 PM. That’s 4 hours (not Hours) minimum I had to process brewha’s claim and find another candidate, on Day 1, with virtually no read on either of the vote-leaders from which the lynchee would likely be selected. I will probably have secondary and tertiary candidates in my pocket going forward, but not having such things on Day 1 is reasonable, imho.

If there had been more time, I probably would’ve put my vote back on brewha because I really didn’t like his portrayal of my case against him. However, I don’t see how much that information, or any “who would you have voted for” information from those who did not have a vote in at the end of the Day is of any constructive use. Any one of us could just lie and apply some revisionist history. Also, I fail to see how the act of not having a vote in alone would make the non-voters any more or less suspicious than any other voting behavior, like people who made early votes and never changed them, or people who ended up with votes on individuals who didn’t end up claiming. No one was mod-killed. Everyone in the game has at least one Day 1 vote on record for which they can be held accountable.

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Also, what’s up with peekercpa? He’s been really really involved. I know that that’s his playstyle, but he’s obviously not being dissuaded by his role. Let’s see…scum want to be quiet. So do witches, seers, and other important roles, so I bet he’s a freemason

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Also, so I don’t get mod-killed:
Vote Santo Rugger
Because he hasn’t been doing anything after his extremely passionate defense of a mass roleclaim.

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[QUOTE=pedescribe]
Also, so I don’t get mod-killed:
Vote Santo Rugger
Because he hasn’t been doing anything after his extremely passionate defense of a mass roleclaim.
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Um, that might just be because he’s, um, DEAD. You know, shuffled off this mortal coil, pushing up the daisies, and all that.

You are really going off the rails here :smiley:
Kinda fun to watch actually. Squirm, baby, squirm!