I’ll count votes for anything other than a living player as a vote for “No Lynch”.
I’ll be less available over the holiday weekend (starting tomorrow), so don’t expect any quick responses from me until Monday. We still have a full week(!) until Dusk. No hurry, then. 
Oh, OK, I feel better now. pedescribe is scum, so that’s that, and I’m happy with my vote. I have a few other thoughts, though, to be shared presently; I just need to catch up on the last day or so worth of posts.
Man, did that screw me up for a minute. I went to put that into the vote chart, and then realized I couldn’t find Rugger’s column anywhere. Come to realize I wasn’t thinking about looking in the dead-man columns…
Dude, don’t worry. I don’t think there’s any danger of you getting modkilled… 
Alright, well this post pretty much seems to sum up everyone’s questions so let me know if I missed anything.
I am not going against what I said to Pollux on Day 1. I was commenting on how he thought that a role claim was against the spirit of the game and comparing that to having a scum come out and admit (which we don’t have) but then since we didn’t figuring it out on our own deciding that it’s not in the spirit of the game to lynch him. That is very different then what I’m saying now which is we have a variety of ways that the Pede situation can resolve it’s self with out us lynching him today (you know like lynching him on Day 3) and that we would do more good getting those with only enough participation to keep from getting Mod killed either into the game or into the noose. I think lynching him it totally in the spirit of the game and am all for it, heck even today, if we can get those not participating off their asses.
As for the why I’ll try to be more specific. We seem to have two broad choices one is lynching Pede and the other is lynching someone else (at this point probably me). Now if we lynch him and everyone’s (including myself) suspicion is correct we lynch scum and are closer to achieving victory for the town. If we are wrong then we still did ok under NAF’s bad play idea. But either way the people who are not participating can show up at the last minute again and vote for the vote leader (only and idiot would vote/unvote themselves) without reading the thread and be nicely camouflaged. Then during Day 3 when I’m being lynched they will get another pass so now you’re looking at Day 4 with 5 people who haven’t participated (except possibly on the scum boards) and having to decide whether to lynch people who are acting scummy or people who are not acting at all. If the second option is taken it will still take Days to force them all out of the wood work and you we get to Day 6 before you are able to start lynching those who are actively screwing the town. I don’t see any pro-town motive that those laying low could have but considering the vote spread from Day 1 do you really want to give them the power to show up at the last minute and decide without participating in the Day’s discussion who the town lynches? I’m here until the end of Day 3 (when I’ll probably get strung up) and happy to keep answering questions.
Umm, two things one Santo was Night killed you know if you paid attention to the game you might be doing better.
Second, please don’t help me it’s only going to get me lynched for certain even if you agree just pretend I don’t exist.
I only have this to ask then- Who are these so called “camouflaged” voters we’ve got lurking in our midsts? Care to point fingers and name some names?
Plus, your certainty of being lynched isn’t 100%- hell, you could be night killed like good ol’ NBC, or you could end up being investigated and cleared by Nanners, or perhaps someone else might slip up Tomorrow and be revealed as a killing role.
The future is uncertain, grasshopper.
So to treat it as simply giving others a chance to hide in our midsts is simply fear mongering, as we don’t know what can happens. But if you feel there are those who are getting a free pass by hiding- CALL them out, we’ve got a week- start asking questions of them, name them, get them to talk! Don’t just warn us about the evil doers out there in the world, it’s too Dick Cheney-ish in my mind.
:Hockey Monkey falls off the sofa in a fit of laughter:
:wipes tear from eye:
Og, I love this game.
Well, cool. So far, I waited on my vote, just to see what has been happening. Pedescribe has certainly been digging a good hole, hasn’t he.
vote pedescribe.
On to other issues…such as Ore. This just seems…I mean really, that blatant of a handshake in view of others? Cluelessness? I’ve only been following this game casually so far this day; I will probably do a full read later in the week. And guys, seriously, thank you for not making this like Cecilvania on the day when a lynch was almost assured on a certain person.
In re: Oredigger, and the discussions thereof so far toDay:
No. Not just no, but hell no. We are not going down this path, not if I can avoid it. But first, for the record:
I disagree with Oredigger. My philosophy in the vast majority of situations is to vote for, and by extension try to lynch, the person I think is most likely to be scum. I may be wrong and I may be right, but I favor the same simple and straightforward approach when I’m Town as I do when I’m scum. It is true that if we don’t lynch pedescribe, it might have positive consequences; a real Vig might kill him off, or one of the other Scum factions might decide to target him, or we might nail an even juicier scum. On the other hand, pedescribe might be a juicier Scum. If he is a Vampire, that’s a Night kill gone that we don’t have to worry about. He might be lying, AND there might be no pro-Town Vig. The other Scum factions might leave him alone altogether. While lynching pedescribe at this point will net us an enemy of the Town with certainty nearing 99%, given his most recent comments, not lynching him dramatically increases our chances of lynching - or exposing - a pro-Town role.
The upshot: voting “strategically,” in the hopes that subsequent actions can be manipulated to Town benefit, is almost always a mistake. There are too many alternative factors in play to even begin to guess how not lynching pedescribe will play out; trying to be too clever is asking for trouble, especially in light of the fact that our enemies have more information than we do.
*But:
I am firmly against lynching Oredigger on the basis of his unpopular idea. Those expessing suspicion of Oredigger for his suggestions and ideas toDay, please address the following question:
What does he expect to accomplish, if he is scum? The only way such a move makes sense for a scum player is if he shares a Side with pedescribe; for any other Scum, it would be downright stupid. If he and pedescribe are team-mates, at best he buys pedescribe another Day, and at the cost of drawing attention his own way. He knew, even as he asked us to consider not lynching pedescribe, that we probably would; if he’s scum and on the same side as pedescribe, what value did this adventure have for him?
I consider this - and will generally consider all unpopular strategies - inherently a null tell. We are not here to play “lynch the mutant,” where anyone with a bit of variety in his or her approach gets whacked, leaving us with a bunch of undefended dogma that can be easily manipulated. If nothing else, Oredigger has forced me - and others - to explicitly and rigorously defend lynching pedescribe, to ensure that we’ve vetted the idea thoroughly, and whatever his side, that’s a valuable service. I may well vote for Oredigger at some point, but it will be regardless of - or perhaps even in spite of - his stance on pedescribe, emphatically not because of it.
So, story, tell me. Is it as weird that I am agreeing with you as it was when you were agreeing with me? I was just signing into the thread to post almost this exact same sentiment.
Story, your point regarding not lynching for poor strategy (in other words, mistakes) is a good one and one I’ve made myself in prior games. However, there is a world of difference for lynching someone for an unpopular strategy – which is how I’d classify a lot of the CIAS lynch mob yesterday, actually – and voting for someone because their analysis does not make sense and they seem to be defending indefensible points. If we can’t base votes on the strategy that other people are espousing, even when their defense of it is either nonsensical or self-contradictory, we’re tying our hands when dealing with scum. I would classify today’s criticism of Oredigger as just that. He’s not making sense, he’s waffling. In and of themselves, changing your position or emphasizing a bad strategy are null tells, but taken in context they can be a part of a convincing case that a player is scum. I believe that to be the case with Oredigger.
pedescribe
you know you’re scum, we know you’re scum, and your lynch now looks assured. Any info your scum team has about opposing scum teams that you want to get off your chest? If you have ideas, we can lynch one of them tomorrow and even things up…
Well said. In fact, depending on how the argument is made, I think it can be a pro-town tell as well. At any rate, short of having a 2nd confirmed scum or there being a risk of losing before the next day starts from someone else, a lynch of scum should never be delayed.
Well as far as not calling people out I think I’ve at least started the process of that #1147
But to expand I’ll start off with the list of players who didn’t finish Day 1 with a vote: Hawkeyeop, Koldanar, DiggitCamara, NanookoftheNorthShore, and ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies. The I’d at least follow up with those players who almost got mod killed and only voted at the end of Day ! say a first vote of the Day after post 800 for a good round number: CoG888 and cckerberos (#844 and #853 respectively). Just for grins I’ll throw up toDay’s list of no votes as well: CoG888 NanookoftheNorthShore, dotchan, and Redwing.
I don’t know about you but I think that CoG888 and Nanook repeating should move their names to the top of the investigation list but since Nanook is safe until he screws up probably just CoG888.
And to put my vote where my mouth is
Unvote Hawkeyeop
Vote CoG888
By the way I’m glad some people don’t think my lynch will be automatic tomorrow.
CIAS did not call me out by name, but I’ve complied with his request to discuss how I came to end yesterDay without a vote. But I complied with his request to talk about it some 17 posts ago.
I’m not too keen on having that response be ignored and then being specifically called out in a list of people who are “hiding”, “getting a free pass”, “being ignored” (I wanted to be sure to include that for ironic effect).
That being said, I agree with story and NAF that Oredigger is not necessarily pinging my scumdar with his posts so far today. He’s going against the grain. I could do without the smearing though. If you have an issue with me, spell it out. And it would be nice if you would perhaps see if any of my previous explanations might impact your perception of me or not.
I’ve got to assume you’re joking here, right?
if his side has any info on the other scum, it’s to their benefit for him to spokesperson it to the town. His death certificate is writ already. OK at this point in the game I doubt he will have anything to reveal, but I fugured it was worth a try.
A night-time investigation that clears him as Town, if he happens to be the Omega Wolf.
Seriously?
That is an interesting worry.
I did notice your post story but I was giving a total list of people. I have no case against yourself beyond that you didn’t vote yesterDay. Even though you explained your actions do you think we would be out of line asking you more questions or going back through your post history? At least you’re posting so we have something to go back through if I was going to sort the list it would be by number of votes then number of post and if I have time tomorrow at work I will do just that.