Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! [Game Over]

It’s a guess.

  1. If I remember it correctly, brewha claimed to be the Coroner
  2. In Conspiracy 1 the coroner proved to be the greatest threat to the vampire (wasn’t that your role in that game?)
  3. I’m guessing, therefore, that the Vampire would have targeted brewha

Ah yes, but few back it up when the boss man says tough, take up a gun and start firing away. And then not only take out the henchmen but the damn cops as well. Bunch of rookies took out the vets. Woot Woot, for us.

I’m assuming a bunch of rookies took out their house as well, as a few minutes ago I must have seen seven or eight fire trucks screaming by. Happy Fourth!

Ok I am going to poke the ant mound since I just had a roman candle do a TND event in my hand and the missus thinks I need to heal up a bit. Also it’s time to switch from carbonated beverages to something made from the agave plant.

pede is scum, I believe. If that is true where did the third kill come from? Killing cabal, two wolf killers, a vig or two freaking vamps, Right? And if it is any of the above should we consider putting pede on the shelf for a day lynch. Let a pro town vig that may not have a no kill option have a clear path. It will give pede another kill, but that would be the cost of information. And ultimately that’s what is going to win it for the town. Just a thought. Obviously if there is no pro town vig than this would be a sucky idea.

Woot, Woot - have been cleared by the house RN to go blow some other shit up.

thats both assuming we have a vig AND they have to choose a target, which is unlikely, given that if they pick wroing they suicide. Also what info do we gain by leaving pede alive? that we have a vig? Not liking this idea much at all

  1. Correct
  2. No, it was the Witches. For the Coroner to be any threat requires recruitment in the game to be valid. There is no recruitment.
  3. “that kill can be credited to the Vampire.” is more a statement of fact than a guess.

I’m sure we will find out in due course.

Oh and Night killers:
1 Wolf, 1 Vampire, 1 Cabal is my guess with a Vig if they exist holding off. 3 Night kills seems perfectly adequate given we also have a Day lynch as well.
4 deaths a round means the game last for 7-10 Day/Night cycles. About right if you think about it.

Well I do believe I qualified my suggestion on the presence of a vig. And I am only playing my third game (never as a Vig) but pede seems to be an easy choice for that role to night kill, since he is about as confirmed scum as there can be. If we have one I am not sure that there would be a heck of a lot of angst on the target.

Try to think of it this way. If pede is a scum then a vig, absent a block, is going to get him tonight. His state of health manana will give us a lot of information.

And I have to admit that this is not an original thought and because of game set up may not apply for us.

In Simpletown we had RyJae as scum (claimed miller) and we held off lynching him to go get another scum. And we did. It worked swimmingly.

Now maybe this bad boy is too big or to different but …

I am not advocating letting pede live for very long but am merely floating some thoughts. Look where my vote is, FCS.

And any stimulation on the discussion front is positive. Even if it’s a crappy townie suggestion. At least in my opinion.

We’ve kind of slowed down now that it feels that we have one in the hand. Feels good for toDay but long term could bite us in the butt.

I’ve been accused of being mas vocal - guilty. But I always thought that this game was about interaction. I am merely playing this game on the assumption that coversation is good for the town. If anyone brings up a talking point that creates affirming or non confirming views, well then yippee.

[Oog]Shot 73 yesterday and am going jet skiing in a bit, so real life be very happening at the moment.[/oog]

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Mother of Og I am going to lose my wife as well as my daughters.

Passing by…

Things are going to be quiet in the game simply because most of the players are busy celebrating; let’s wait until Monday to see whether the game slows to a stop.

I’m not sure that we should take our finger off the trigger and look for someone else to lynch Today. Pedescribe’s behaviour really makes it likely he’s a member of a faction which kills every Night; ie he’s a Wolf or Vampire. As far as the chances of pedescribe being a Cabalist is concerned, I think he’s more likely to be a Vig - unless the Cabal’s secret power is a number of Nightkills that is greater than 1.

Let’s face it - the Cabal’s biggest weakness is that they have to rely on other factions to eliminate the Witches. There’s almost a zero chance that a Witch will get lynched, as the downside to the Town of lynching a Witch is so high. My first-cut guess as to the Cabal’s secret power was a one-shot Nightkill. But, it’s in the Cabal’s best interests to sit on that kill until they have a clear shot at a Witch that isn’t likely to be protected.

It’s highly unlikely that the Cabal, who can talk among themselves all the time, would have all fallen for the trap of burning such a power on the first Night without knowing who the Witches are, is it? It’s just … bad play, unless they have multiple uses of the ability.

Yes, but you will still have us. :smiley:

Lake like a billiard table. These new jet skis can really freaking crank. Now I just get in line for the next available.

And I understand that it is the holiday weekend but, shit, there are still a lot of folks that haven’t posted Jack.

I know this is secondary/tertiary/quateranary to RL but when we sign on to play there is still an expectation of a minimal level of participation, right?

I’m thinking about going back to a “Vote the Lurker” strategy. I mean pede is at least providing some entertainment value. The non contributors are just turds that don’t flush.

Another freaking two cents.

I was thinking about that situation as well, peeker, but I think it’s apples and oranges compared to where we’re at now. In that game, we were down to 6-7 players and had a couple of confirmed Town - the options were much more limited in terms of who could be who. I don’t fault you one bit for considering it, and the fact that you are willing to bring it up for discussion is a point in your favor (IMO), but I don’t think it would be wise to hold off on pedescribe.

I do think there’s some merit to letting pedescribe wait and either allowing a Vig a shot or frying some other fish. On the other hand, do we really have a next-best target? I don’t like Oredigger, but in Simpletown I was sure he was scum and after I died I was just twiddling my thumbs and cackling until he got strung up… as town. So maybe that’s just his style. I just don’t think that at this point in the game, especially with delayed information, that a wait and see is the best thing we could do without a well-developed secondary target. If we do come up with such I’ll be happy to revisit the issue.

I spent the Fourth under the bleachers with a thousand Army recruits while God aimed lightning bolts and, according to rumor, a tornado at us. Did you know the Army is scared of thunder? And loud? And extremely multitudinous? We finally escaped when the rain (but not the thunder and lightening) were over and had to walk about a mile back to the car because we’d been forgotten by the buses, I assume. The Army is very confusing. Anyway, they finally evidently just gave up and set off the fireworks, which were very nice but overwhelmingly outcompeted by the crazy lightening storm. On the whole, it was pretty awesome.

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My point exactly. Let’s start to scrutinize on someone not pede. He’s in the bank from where I sit. Where do we, as town, go from here? Let’s force the scum to talk rather than sitting back, laying low and just letting a tasty entree get frigging qued. If you want to grill me, that’s cool. I just don’t think we can afford to rest on our laurels.

I am going to begin to focus on our low posters 'cause that’s gonna be a target rich environment.

We’ve been scrutinizing people who are not Pedescribe. (Oredigger!) The main problems I see with shelving him to let the Vig take a shot at him are these.

  1. There is no guarantee we have a Vig
  2. We start the process of role claiming over again, when it is entirely unnessessary toDay, and run the risk of having a real town role outed prematurely.

Anyone who truly thinks that letting a confessed scum live to possibly kill another day and lynching someone who may turn up town is a good idea has to be on some good drugs. If there were a general belief that **Pedescribe ** was a Vigilante, then I could support it, but he’s confessed to his scumminess. String. him. up.

Analyze other people, sure. Lynch someone other than **pedes ** today? No Way.

Well unless Bud Light qualifies for a drug then I am narcotic challenged.

I was not suggesting that we don’t stretch pede necessarily but rather we turn the heat up on the less contributory members. If we get a ping then we flipping stretch them and keep pede in our back pocket. I’ve just gotta believe that in a game this size that most if not all roles are in play. And if it’s going to be “bloody” then there has got to be a Vig and/or killing Cabal, otherwise we are here till Labor Day.

Since pede don’t appear to be town aligned then … If he’s still alive manana then that will give us some data points for information on set up, me thinks and if he’s dead, it couldn’t have happened to a scummier soul.

Back to blowing shit up since the jet skiers are fucking taking too much time to get back to the dock. Better be dead or I am killing them when they return. Gastards.

If we get a ping then we flipping stretch them and keep pede in our back pocket. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH! If we get a ping? If we get a PING? Sooooo we’ve never lynched town before because we got a “ping”? Unless someone else confesses, we have no GOOD reason to not lynch **pedescribe ** today.

We can analyze to our heart’s content, but I’m not taking a chance on lynching town when we have a confessed scum in the noose already.

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Or having a scum make a false role claim ala pede. Even though he was in quite the pickle to start with. Rose colored glasses and all, don’t you know.

Because of the points you and shadow make I’ll walk away. Just trying to generate some interaction.

And is there any way to figure out who has posted/voted? Or is it just bull strength and ignorance by scanning the thread and making tick marks on a piece of paper?

If there is an easier way let me know. If it’s the BS+I then that will give something to do today. Unless someone else has already begun something along these lines.

Because, as my wife would tell you I’ve got plenty of BS and a modicum of I.

There are two public ways.

Pleonast’s sig contains links to Google documents for the game. The “Votes” link takes you to a document wit a list of players (and their fates) the scheduled timeline, and a voting history. Final votes for all complete Days, and a votecount for Today. That count tells you the last included post.

You can trace voting history from that with a bit of work, as the records include post numbers.

Hal keeps a Google spreadsheet with all the votes recorded, and every vote is linked to the post that made it.

Or you can do your own, like I do.

I know only one thing for certain in this game: pede is not Town-aligned, and pede is capable of killing, or was as of last Night. If he is lynched toDay, he will not kill anyone toNight. If he is not lynched toDay, he may kill toNight, and while he might cross kill there are a sufficient number of exposed pro-Town targets that the danger associated with giving him an extra kill in the interest of “keeping him in our back pocket” is too great.

I see no significant advantage to keeping pedescribe alive, and my vote stands.