Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE

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Welllll…the question is, do I give up on lynch-the-lurker, since it didn’t pan out with Hal (who did start posting more, and that’s one reason why I chose Nanook instead) or do I leave my vote where it is? I still believe what I said about Nanook–scum has a great freaking amount of motivation to lay low at this point in the game. His assertion that playing scum would NOT be boring is kind of funny, but it doesn’t make me less inclined to vote for him. Your role is what you make it; I stand by that. And boredom with a role could also be an excuse. So that part is now a null tell, IMHO.

As for who else I might vote for, well, I don’t know yet. There’s a whole new set of stuff to go through–who thinks who is scummy now, this crazy Benny Hill voting frenzy, and this new claim by MHaye (our redneck Doc?).

I kind of want to take a new tactic and look at those who are keeping themselves a little too clean; there are a few people who have gone the whole game without much scrutiny. Maybe that’s why we’re not finding scum (except PFKs, which is good also)–we keep almost lynching power roles, starting with pedescribe and leading up to MHaye, and we’ve also lynched three town. Some people are hovering above the fray, and maybe if we poke one of them enough, it might get us somewhere. Just a thought, as I’m having way too much trouble keeping who’s going after who straight.

I just read that and am not sure it makes sense. :o I’m having a hard time putting it into words. But maybe someone will see where I’m coming from.

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I guess I could believe the claim for now.

Unvote Mhaye

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I’m frankly amazed at this willingness to let Mhaye out of the hotseat.

I implore all townies to closely examine Mhaye, all the way back to the beginning. Consider all of the implications of his claimed powers (legion: the potential killing payload he’s allegedly been given is huge). Consider the timing of his claim: quite late, imho. Consider information that he’s willfully keeping from us that is by the definition of his own claim, demonstrably more pro-town if revealed than concealed as he is doing.

Knowing who the scum allegedly didn’t attack and knowing which interactions he was not involved with are useful pieces of information for the town.

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I can’t help but notice that Hal’s death color confirms MHaye’s miniature perfect information slip. Don’t quite know how I feel about that.

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Because I didn’t have a strong case for any and I didn’t want to risk lynching a power role without giving them time to claim.

I don’t think we can say for sure which variety Strongman or what macey actual powers were. With pre-prepped you mean you think scum haven’t prepared a fake role PM to false claim with?

Also neither macey or Hawkeyeop burned up. The Alpha-lives-on-for-one-fifth idea looks wrong now, unless it doesn’t happen on a lynch. No way to say for sure, but still no reason the claim A/B without reason.

I wouldn’t say his killing payload is huge, depending how you read it he gets one kill when he defends himself twice, or it could mean his second shot always kills. Perhaps MHaye can ask Story for clarification on that (I don’t think he’ll answer anyone else asking, if he does at all).
I can see why he claimed late: he became lynch leader quite late and (if true) scum can now avoid missing a kill or getting revenge killed by targeting him.
About not revealing his targets: if he guarded claimed/confirmed power roles I don’t see why he shouldn’t. But it doesn’t help confirming his alignment. pedescribe probably was protected from Blaster Master Night One and you had some sort of protecting from him Night Three, but MHaye already said he wasn’t those. He could have double protected and got ignored because he couldn’t shoot a nightmare?

The only worry thing about his claim (besides not easily confirmed) is see at the moment:

Questionable Hillbilly sounds like a deadbeat to me. So either MHaye is lieing or this hint is not about PFKs, but more a clue to help confirm townie (a piece of the puzzle like the attractive mason and Cookies’ info on Total Lost).

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NETA: (if true) scum can now avoid missing a kill or getting revenge killed by not targeting him. MHaye can still protect others to prevent a kill of course.

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Well I didn’t just vote for you due to the me too but as I can currently only get an internet connection by standing on a chair and balancing my laptop on the window sill I’m not about to go check exactly what I said.

I’m going to be away from home and with a really crap connection for the next few days so apologies in advance - I’ll do my best to keep up.

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Vote Chronology:

We start with the following roll-over votes:

Hal (3) - Cookies, special ed, amrussell
Cookies (1) - Hal
Hockey Monkey (1) - Almost Human
brewha (1) - Total Lost

and proceed as follows:

Hockey Monkey votes Hal - (4votes)
Millit the Frail votes Nanook - (1 vote)
amrussell votes Hockey Monkey - (2 votes (although vote possibly not valid as I had never unvoted Hal))
Hal unvotes Cookies, votes MHaye - (Cookies = 0, MHaye = 1)
pedescribe votes MHaye - (2 votes)
Total Lost unvotes brewha - (0 votes)
amrussell unvotes Hockey Monkey - (1 vote)
Almost Human unvotes Hockey Monkey , votes JSexton - (HM = 0 votes, JS = 1 vote)
dotchan votes Nanook - (2 votes)
pedescribe unvotes MHaye, votes Almost Human - (MHaye =1, AH =2)

This is the last vote before Millit’s “crickets” post, which highlighted that 8.5 hours had passed without a single post. So let’s have a vote count:

Hal (4) - Cookies, special ed, amrussell, Hockey Monkey
Nanook (2) - Millit the Frail, dotchan
JSexton (1) - Almost Human
Almost Human (1) - pedescribe
MHaye (1) - Hal Briston

So **Hal **is in the lead, with two townie votes and three roll-over votes. There’s no clear second place, and MHaye, despite getting some attention hasn’t picked up many votes yet. Relaxed and refreshed from our break, we retun, slightly more time-pressured:

Natlaw votes for Nanook - (3 votes)
zeriel votes MHaye - (1 vote)
pedescribe unvotes Almost Human, votes MHaye - (AH=0, MHaye=3)
amrussell unvotes Hal, vote brewha - (Hal=3, brewha-=1)

Storyteller posts an official count, which I’ll copy and colour-code:

Nanook (3) - Millit the Frail, dotchan, Natlaw
Mhaye (3) - Hal Briston, Zeriel, pedescribe
Hal Briston (3) - Cookies, special ed, hockey monkey
brewha (1) - amrussell
JSexton (1) - Almost Human

We now have tie between Hal, Nanook and MHaye with 5 hours to go

Natlaw unvotes Nanook, votes brewha - (Hal 3, MHaye 3, Nanook 2, brewha 2)
brewha votes Hal - (Hal 4, MHaye 3, Nanook 2, brewha 2)
Nanook votes Hal - (Hal 5, MHaye 3, Nanook 2, brewha 2)
Natlaw unvotes brewha, votes MHaye - (Hal 5, MHaye 4, Nanook 2)
Total Lost votes Hal - Hal 6, MHaye 4, Nanook 2)

Natlaw posts an unofficial vote count, and points out that there are c.2 hours to go:
Hal Briston (6) - Cookies, special ed, hockey monkey, brewha, Nanook, Total Lost
Mhaye (4) - Hal Briston, Zeriel, pedescribe, Natlaw
Nanook (2) - Millit the Frail, dotchan
brewha (1) - amrussell
JSexton (1) - Almost Human

dotchan unvotes Nanook, votes MHaye (Hal 6, MHaye 5)
Total Lost unvotes Hal (Hal 5, MHaye 5)
Total Lost votes MHaye (Hal 5, MHaye 6)
Cookies unvotes Hal, votes MHaye (Hal 4, MHaye 7)
special ed unvotes Hal, votes MHaye (Hal 3, MHaye 8)

At this point, MHaye claims

Total Lost unvotes MHaye, votes brewha (Hal 3, MHaye 7, brewha 2)
pedescribe unvotes MHaye, votes Almost Human (Hal 3, MHaye 6)
Natlaw unvotes MHaye (Hal 3, MHaye 5)
special ed unvotes MHaye (Hal 3, MHaye 4)
pedescribe unvotes Almost Human, votes brewha (Hal 3, MHaye 4, brewha 3)
Hockey Monkey unvotes Hal, votes Almost Human (Hal 2, MHaye 4, brewha 3)
JSexton votes Hal (Hal 3, MHaye 4, brewha 3)
Natlaw votes Hal (Hal 4, MHaye 4, brewha 3)
special ed votes Hal (Hal 5, MHaye 4, brewha 3)
pedescribe unvotes brewha, votes Almost Human (Hal 5, MHaye 4, brewha 2, AH 2)
DAY END

Final votes:

Hal Briston (5) - brewha, Nanook, JSexton, Natlaw, special ed
MHaye (4) - Hal, zeriel, dotchan, Cookies
brewha (2) - amrussell, Total Lost
Almost Human (2) - Hockey Monkey, pedescribe
JSexton (1) - Almost Human

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ERRATA: My final votes should include Millit the Frail’s solitary vote for Nanook. Apologies.

There seem to me to be four main phases:

**Phase 1 - Slow Start: **We don’t get a lot of votes for most of the Day. As I mentioned, Hal takes the lead, but three of those votes are roll-overs (and mine should have been unvoted at the beginning of the Day, when I voted for Hockey). Nanook is our next suspect, mainly through nudge votes. MHaye has picked up a couple of genuine votes earlier, but only has 1 at this point.

Phase 2 - The first Hal push: We move fairly quickly into a three-way tie between MHaye, Nanook and Hal. Hal and MHaye have two townie voters out of three, while Nanook has none. Now, brewha, Nanook and Total Lost vote for Hal, pushing him into the lead, while Natlaw unvotes NAnook, briefly votes and unvotes brewha, and moves his vote to MHaye. This gives Hal his maximum vote count, while Natlaw’s votes keep MHaye in touch and drop Nanook out of the running.

Phase 3 - Townies gun for MHaye: with the scores at 6-4, dotchan unvotes Nanook and votes MHaye. Then, Total Lost, Cookies and special ed in quick succession unvote Hal and vote MHaye , pushing MHaye into a huge lead. Special ed has earlier declared his intention to follow townies. As I’ve briefly hinted at before, I don’t think much of this style of play, and I’m now looking more suspicously at special ed. Half of MHaye’s votes are coming from town (three known then plus Hal). Unquestionably, this gives some cover to scum.

Phase 4 - Hal strikes back: Following MHaye’s claim, the unvoting begins. As the confirmed town try to co-ordinate themselves, brewha briefly rises above Hal in the voting order. However, JSexton, Natlaw and special ed push Hal up to 5 votes, with special ed dropping the hammer. All of these votes come with caveats about picking among the available candidates.

Now, the outcome of this analysis really depends on knowing MHaye’s alignment. If he’s non-scum, then scum have no incentive to skew the voting and are as likely to be found with throw-away votes as on either candidate. If he is, then there’s an obvious motive, and the five unconfirmed voting for Hal at the end of play will need looking at hard. This does point us towards lynching MHaye for the info, but I’m reluctant to do that as a) vote for the one you find scummiest and b) should he come back town, we don’t really generate any info.

I’m happy with where my vote is now, but I’m going to re-read a couple of people.

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The way I read it, MHaye doesn’t have a payload of kills; he only has one. He can roleblock the first time and kill the second, and that’s it. Am I missing something?

If this is for real, he could potentially kill a scum during a NK. As long as he protects someone else, of course–they’re not going to attack him now.

Let’s get this straight: MHaye, do you have multiple kills or just the one?

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But if we happen to lynch him or if he dies overnight and he’s town, it could end up being useful information to the town later.

You could even call it an “in good faith” gesture that might quell some of my suspicion that he’s not offering the information because it is risky for him to manufacture it as a scummy.

What if he says he protected someone on a Night, and that protection target testifies that he/she was indeed attacked that night but somehow survived? Wouldn’t you rather have information like that to hold as collateral on an unconfirmed player?

Good catch. This just adds to my personal case. YMMV.

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I welcome scrutiny. Just ask questions and I will do my best to answer.

The main reason I didn’t include the information with my roleclaim was that I didn’t just want to blurt it out in haste and regret it later. At the moment, the information is like a genie in a bottle. Let it loose, and who knows how much havoc the deadites can wreak with it?

On the other hand, I can see the argument that revealing who I protected will reveal who the killers didn’t strike at. I’m just not sure how much new info that will generate.

Let me get a drink and think about that.

The first time I or someone I guard is attacked I fire a warning shot to scare the attacker off. The second time I shoot to kill.

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Is that ‘per Night’ or ‘per game’?

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Per game.

The two shot kill survival is strong enough without being repeateable every night, don’t you think?

On the subject of the strength of my role, it was probably balanced by the presence of the deadite roleblocker. As soon as the deadites learned of me they could neutralise my power at will.

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Yes, but are those both one-time abilities? Is it only if the same person targets you twice, or does each person get a separate warning shot? I’m under the impression that they are both one-time, but it seems that some of us got different ideas from the way it’s written.

(On preview, pretty much what special ed said.)

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That’s right noble of you considering there’s not much to scrutinize once you take the time to go back and re-read all of your posts. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I think there are ways round my power; a roleblocker would be one. I suspect BlaM’s dream-kill power was another. If there’s a third I could be dead Tonight.

Ultimately lost information is no use to the Town. But, prematurely revealed information could allow the deadites to work out my protective plans. That’s why I’ve balked.

It would help confirm me, yes.

I interpreted “two deadheads” to mean “two people who really really don’t belong in the Evil Dead movieverse.” My character does - it’s a well established type.

It’s not an unreasonable suspicion - it’s just that events have disproved it.

On reflection, I’m going to reveal who I protected on the first three Nights. I’d rather keep my Night 4 protection hidden for the moment.

Night 1 : No-one.
Night 2 : NAF1138
Night 3 : NAF1138

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It does make more sense as a ‘per game’ power, otherwise, to kill you, you’d have to be targeted twice in a single Night. (or target both you and the person you’re protecting)

It does seem your power is balanced by a roleblocker and only a roleblocker. As it stands now, it seems as if you’ll kill whoever tries to kill you or whoever you protect the second time.

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Or confirm you as a liar, since you’ve already stated that no one you protected was ever targeted.

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So any killer want to note they targeted Naf? Mhaye why didn’t you use your power night one? Wasn’t Pede outed by then?