My basic style is to read a passage, reread, digest and post. I started the post draft late. I was reading and rereading - with frequent breaks - for hours that evening.
I started the actual writing of the post late, and only because of the fact I thought we had another hour.
Maybe I want a break, to just let the game mature a bit. Sort of like cows ruminating, but on a mental level.
I could have done something differently, yes. I could have just posted “Vote BlaM. I’ll start drafting a post explaining why now.” How well do you think that would have gone down? I’d probably have been mobbed.
The point of that post was to vote in Day 4. In order to have my vote count, it had to be in by the deadline. If I planned not to vote, I’d have taken my time drafting that post, I’d probably have caught the repetition (even if I made it).
Leaving unknowns to the end is sometimes the way to play. I basically caught Greedy Smurf in Last Bastion because he lurked.
Rushing posts, making stupid errors like repeating seven paragraphs of your post and causing mass confusion isn’t good play - whatever side you’re on. You’re likely to get lynched for obfuscation.
I’ve said this before. There are two ways to get more participation out of me. One is that my input naturally increases as the game size shrinks, (and I have a feeling this game has had less deaths than Storyteller planned so I’m suffering because of BlaM’s bad luck) and the other is to ask me direct questions, or pose puzzles where I think I have something more than “me too” to contribute.
Start your read through. If you posted just as often, but did it in the beginning of days then at least the rest of town would be able to respond to your post before the days ends.
All I’m saying is it would be more useful if you did this entire process early in the day (or at night) then at the end of the day. You keep talking about how you only had so much time, but that was entirely your own doing.
No, he wasn’t. I’ve stated from the beginning that this is no slam-dunk.
And I’ll meet your example with Darth Sensitive’s “ToDay was a disaster” statement from The Mafia Is Recruiting. It could’ve been an innocent slip as well, but it wasn’t – he was the Godfather.
I’ll say to you what I said to him at the time – there is a possibility that this was a slip…that’s all it is, a possibility. If you want me to change my vote, then convince me otherwise.
How am I acting like there are only two candidates? Please tell me how you see that.
Listening to NAF or listening to Hawkeye meant that I would either vote for Cookies or I wouldn’t.
I already had suspicions of Cookies - it’s well documented (wrong, but documented). NAF, an unknown, convinced me to unvote Cookies. Hawkeye, proven townie, convinced me to go back to my original vote.
Obviously, being dead didn’t make Hawkeye right. But it did allow me to trust his motives. I didn’t know NAF’s alignment and was hesitant to trust his motives.
Frankly, warping a person’s voting like you have done is a common scum trick. Take some facts (who I voted for), mix in some blatant lies (acting like there was only two candidates), and cast me in a bad light.
And the second part:
I’m betraying a desire to align with town? What? I plainly stated that I was more willing to listen to Hawkeye - a known TOWN - than to someone who was not town. What exactly am I betraying here? I’m not so sure that word means what you think it does.
Nanook (3) - Millit the Frail, dotchan, Natlaw Mhaye (3) - Hal Briston, Zeriel, pedescribe Hal Briston (3) - Cookies, special ed, hockey monkey brewha (1) - amrussell JSexton (1) - Almost Human
Day to end in about five hours, whether I’m able to end it immediately at that time or not.
My vote is still currently on Hal. For a recap, I gave the reasoning yesterDay in post 4.306 I’ve read through everything, but I’m not ready to change my vote.
I’m also concerned that **Hal **had no votes whatsoever until late in Day 4 when he started taking excessive heat. And at that point, he voted for cookies, who we knew NAF was investigating. A Scum might also want to eliminate **Cookies **before she came up confirmed.
Some points I don’t want us to lose sight of, though they may not be of great urgency.
I know **Cookies **has been NAF-confirmed, but why did post 5.006 carry the title of “little white lies”? Something is just not right here. I’m not sure where to file this one, as, for now, I’m trusting cookies.
What’s with the yellow glow? Maybe I’m metagaming. I, honestly, was expecting someone else to end up “fully dead” at some point toDay.
I’m not confident in any of the numbers being thrown around as to how many Scum/PFK’s there are, but I’m concerned with the numbers **amrussel **gave us in post 5.093 Saying we’re not in danger of lynch or lose for possible 5 more Days? For the record, we lose in a tie situation (for Scum can just vote as a block, and then NK). I’m also not convinced we don’t have more PFK. I know the mason message said 2 ‘deadbeats’ who weren’t students like us. That’s what we’ve killed in **peeker **and Blam, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t more PFK who are students like us. Obviously the Scum are like us.
I see amrussell already made a vote out of it, so here my reasoning why I thought it wasn’t enough to vote.
You’re mixing things up:
-you unvoted Cookies Day Two, because you were just testing her and believed her. NAF claimed Night Two.
-Hawkeyeops dead confirmed he was vanilla town without special information. So that did not change his case against Cookies. It did weaken Cookies’ defense (which was mostly based on Hawk being scum). You say you you only have the macey defense lead on Cookies, but vote her while you think NAF is PFK.
-Night Three you unvoted Cookies because of her claim. You do this without comment, while the claim wasn’t like like a mason claim that could be easily counter claimed and thus trusted. You are right that NAF indicated he would investigate Cookies before you unvoted.
Yes, that what I noticed too and that is what makes it suspicious: who is more likely to vote correct, town or scum knowing who is and isn’t scum?
The PFK lynches are a null tell, because they’re beneficial to both sides. The lynch of townie Chucara was with a big majority and you weren’t one of them.
But like I said, you starting the macey vote gives you a lot of credit, especially because if you were scum you could have warned him on the scum board, instead macey overreacted and ensured her lynch.
In my opinion the latter was more important than the Cookies (un)votes, so I didn’t vote for you today.
I think the mix up in the quoted posted is a town tell, as I would expect scum to ignore my post or be more careful in responding.
Then again on preview:
NAF was busy with his claim vanilla idea and Chucara. I did suggest he should investigate ** Cookies**, but NAF never responded or talked about Cookies himself.
So are you making a mistake or retroactively changing your motivation to revote Cookies?
Natlaw, I don’t think I’m mistaken. NAF didn’t want to see Cookies lynched. Not because he had already investigated her and knew she was town, but because he had planned to investigate her. And, since Cookies vouched for Total Lost, he could essentially get two confirmed townies for the price of one investigation.
Maybe I am getting a bit mixed up here, but that’s how I remember it going down. I had voted and unvoted Cookies more than once. Perhaps we are talking about different times?
Your choice – no vote or uninformed vote. I hadn’t been following the game closely enough – that much has been made completely clear. Now I am following along closely. Not saying you have to instantly forgive sins of the past, but hanging on to them when “lynch the lurker” is no longer a valid reason? Not the best play. It’s fine if you want to hang it on me for voting Cookies, but she simply read as the most suspicious to me. There was a hell of a lot of info to take in, so you better believe I skimmed at times (errr…we are done with the skim=scum fallacy, right?). I missed that NAF was going to investigate her, and when I realized it, I unvoted her.
… my entire point was that you voted, unvoted, revoted and again unvoted Cookies. The threads are still there, here is some motivation to go check :rolleyes:
unvote Nanook vote brewha
Yes, I thought the mistake was town, but why not do a simple check?
My Nanook vote was a prod for him to vote, he can get it back if he doesn’t come back and vote. But at the moment you need more prodding.
Why? I have not seen him take an accountable stance toward anything.
I’ve gotten some flack today because of the acusations I’ve made and for some of the votes I’ve cast and retracted. Although everthing I did had a purely protown motive, as new facts came to light, some of my actions come across as potentially scummy. I can see that, and I am happy to explain why I did the thing I’ve done.
Hal, OTOH, has nothing to explain. It appears that he has cast one vote - for a person who didn’t get lynched. Accountable? He doesn’t have to be. I can’t find anything in his past posts that could potentially come back to bite him in the ass? He’s playing it safe - too safe if you ask me.
And, I want to clarify that this is not simply LTL. He has been participating, but still playing it extremely safe. Natlaw, careful. Your eyes might get stuck like that.
Between 6:30AM and 5:00PM my actual job takes precedence. I’m not going to go combing through old posts unneccisarily. But, yes that does give me motivation. I’ll be back with the order of events and explain why I did what I did.
I’ve got pretty huge problems with this. AMRussell, you’ve got a distinct tendency to vilify a person for one behavior, then turn around and smudge someone with the exact opposite accusation. Earlier, you made an accusation that someone voted too hastily. Now, you’re accusing brewha based on being too cautious to vote? I don’t think your analysis of the timing here holds any water at all. Enough time passed between his unvote for Cookies and his vote for Peeker that I’m perfectly willing to believe that he re-read and decided that a vote was in order. I’d normally consider is scummier to hop immediately from wagon to wagon.
This is totally unwarranted. Nothing brewha said indicates that he’s planning to stop thinking, only that he’s prepared to give weight to the opinions of known town. Which makes sense, because then you can deal with their logic without having to stress about motivation.
The biggest problem I have with brewha as mafia is that he’d have to have been willing to bus macey day one. That was a wagon that started strong and never let up. It’s not impossible, of course, but I’m extending him some townie cred for it. I’d need to see something an order of magnitude stronger than what you’ve got.
re-read this that was my reasoning for voting for you now. I only added your voting record as I noticed it. It obviously played no part in me keeping my vote on you. Are you still skimming?
Macey? where the hell is he? He’s gone off of facebook as well. I vaguely remember something about a vacation. Could he have realized it after signing up here and intentionally bussed himself to give cred to some players?
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OK, that was way metagamey, but he does seem to have vanished completely.
Let me be clear on something, because I don’t want there to be any misunderstandings later. I am not claiming anything, I have not claimed anything, and until something changes(such as a group decision that it is time for a mass claim) I will not be claiming anything. You might think I was screaming vanilla there, but that was not what I was saying and not my attention. For the record, I’ve played vanilla scum before, and I completely disagree with your assessment of it. Not paying much attention the game is a recipe for failure for a scum. The game I played as scum was possibly the one game I paid more attention to than any other than my first.
Um, what? I thought my first post was pretty clear in which part was regarding the game itself and which was regarding my lack of playing so far.
Am I really that hard to understand? I didn’t say killing scum was bad. I said that killing a lurker scum doesn’t help set up the long game. Let me ask you a question. Other than having a dead scum, which is clearly a good thing, what did our Day 1 lynch of Macey provide us in terms of long term information?
First Unvote
After Cookies explained the points I questioned her about.
2nd Vote
OK, this is where I get the order of events confused. For that I apologize. You see, (and it is mention in the above post) I thought that the differences between Hawkeye and Cookies had been resolved until Hawkeye came out and encouraged Cookies votes. I was corrected later, it was the argument between JSexton and Hawkeye that was chalked up to differences in play style. So, now knowing that Hawkeye wanted to see Cookies strung up, I re-voted her.
2nd Unvote
Because Cookies posted her role PM. About her “nugget”
There’s the correct order and my thinking. What can I say, I was wrong purely do to laziness. That’ll be the last time I assume I am remembering correctly.
I’ve noticed this too, so I went back to check. Vote per day/night cycle from Amrussell
Day 1
Peekercpa
Rapier42
Day2
Dotchan
Day3
Diggit
Chucara
Blam
Day 4
Special Ed
Rapier42
Hal Briston
Day 5
Hockey Monkey
Brewha
So 11 votes in 5 days/nights including 10 different targets. That seems pretty all over the place to me.
With no one at more than 3 or 4 votes, this is the type of day that scum can manipulate easily. I think it would be a good time for the 4 mostly confirmed townies to come to a consensus.
It wasn’t clear to me and said it was confusing in the post you responded to. You didn’t clarify it, so I assumed the wrong thing (the first paragraph was all game, while for you it was all meta).
About the same information as in the case were we lynched a town I think:
we can look at the people who pushed, defended or ignored the lynch.
But you weren’t talking about macey, but whether we should lynch you now. And you say it doesn’t matter if you town or scum, we don’t gain much information because you lurked and didn’t leave any leads. So I read the unwritten conclusion that in either case lynching you is not the best option. And yes it either lynch or not lynch, I translated that as bad or good.
Ok, that puts me two votes in the lead with a couple of hours left. I’ll be running a training class in a few minutes, and likely won’t be back until the Day is over. So…
My apologies to the town – if I’ve learned anything from this game, it’s never think “Ok, I’ll sign up even though I’ll be away for 12 days near the beginning of the game – I’ll just catch up later”. No, I won’t…there was just too much there for me to every recover from. So, sorry to drag this one down.
My suspicions remain on MHaye, and Nanook could easily be scum as well, with his easy nail in my coffin. Of course, with the voting so spread out, there’s every chance that everyone calling for my blood is innocent.
Now then…<bursts out the front door, screaming wildly in fright>