Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE

There’s a certain justice in that perception. What I’m doing is reading over someone and asking myself, “Is what they’ve done consistent with their being scum?” If I find something that isn’t - for example, special ed crafting **DiggitCamara’**s question for TF, which was expected to reveal a new scum - then I consider them more likely to be townie. If I ever find something that’s just obviously scum, then I’ll make a song and dance about it. Usually, I find some stuff that could be scum motivated. And then I point it out, challenge them on it and see what they say. The basic idea is to start with the hypothesis that someone is scum and try to falsify it. Because there’s no such thing as scum behaviour, I do end up finding apparently contradictory behaviours scummy. But that’s bound to happen. Remember the whole discussion about “scum would never do that”? If I suspect **Rapier42 **for repeatedly being on bandwagons, it doesn’t mean that I can’t suspect **Nanook **for lurking, or you for being on one and then failing to vote for two straight Days.

brewha’s vote for **macey **is a big point in his favour. But there are two points to make against it. 1) The whole point of bussing is to make big points in your favour. 2) **brewha **voted early (possibly first, IIRC) and, as you say that wagon started strong and never let up. Enough people got into suspicion over saying they wouldn’t vote - what would have happened to an unvoter?

It’s this bit, right here. You’re acting like it’s a choice between following **NAF **or following Hawkeye. It’s not about that. It’s about you using your own judgement to vote for whoever is scummiest. Pretending that you’re choosing between two sides is abdicating responsibility. Backing the known townie - and claiming that as your justification - makes you look like you want to look good.

On preview: again, this bit:

What?! He’s dead town, he’s not the God-Emperor reborn. Why were you so quick to follow what the one active known townie wanted?

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On preview: again, this bit: What?! He’s dead town, he’s not the God-Emperor reborn.

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I’m not? Damn.

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On preview: again, this bit: What?! He’s dead town, he’s not the God-Emperor reborn.

Sorry, I should have broken it to you more gently.

I’m not feeling the Hal lynch. He has got that stubborn townie vibe in him. I think if he was scum he would attempted a claim here. If we must pick a lurker, I’d rather Mhaye.

At this point, I’m alternating between leaving my vote on Hal and switching it to Mhaye.

Hal has significantly less overall posts to analyze, possibly resulting in over-analysis of what he has posted. I was obviously drawing suspicions from a lot of townies prior to my confirmation, and a few of you are still not sure what to do with me, which is fine. A townie Hal would be in good townie company for wanting to see my swing. All of this is fine and dandy, but does not shake my suspicions of him.

The fact that Hal is voting for MHaye basically reinforces a need, imho, to crawl the threads looking at them both, and paying particular attention to any interactions between them.

Thanks, like I said I have you leaning townie because of the macey vote, so I’ll

unvote brewha

And since Nanook is also back, I’ll have to look again who I do vote for.

The case against MHaye mostly based on his last minute vote before Dusk Day Four:

(snips in orange, follow the link to make sure, but I don’t think I butchered it)

It looks like MHaye was going to vote Hal, but saw special ed and me talking about a tie (which was wrong because I counted wrong, it was 6-5, not 5-5 when MHaye voted).

MHaye says this about it:

-he counted wrong too
-thought Hal might be scum and that special ed thought so too. special ed didn’t think Hal was Deadite though.
-he didn’t have time to look for support Hal was scum, but he was originally voting Hal to give BlaM an extra Day to prove himself town.
-He wants to let BlaM live till tomorrow by voting Hal, but that would only work if they were already at a tie. If he believed that, than special eds vote put BlaM in the lead. So if scum he wanted to PFK to live (bigger chance to hurt town than scum), but didn’t want to create a tie to draw attention and thus voted BlaM. If town, he was just posting in a hurry and made mistakes.

The other part about the post is the ‘Hal is Alpha vanilla’ thing. I’m not sure it is a scum slip, he could be confusing him with dotchan or Chucara who did claim that.

The case against Hal is lurking, sneakily claiming vanilla and a weak case to vote Cookies.

I’m not strongly convinced of both cases, but I haven’t been able to find a better one Today.

vote MHaye
mainly for clearly thinking BlaM was PFK, but willing to sacrifice a town to let him live another Day.

<Runs screaming back into the cabin>

Class was cancelled, so I’ll be around for another hour – just so no one comes back later and says “Ah hah! Hal lied! Look, he posted in other threads when he said he was running a training class!”

I’m not really fine with this vote - but since Pede can say TotalLost’s post “notwithstanding” I’ll have to say at this point: Pede’s vote “notwithstanding” - sorry Pede!

I say I would vote with the confirmed and therefore (I didn’t have a chance to read all of the Day) - so this is a crappy vote

Vote Hal Briston

Hal, I’m not disputing that it happens. It does, and it’s so memorable that it drowns out the times when it’s a slip by an innocent. That’s what I was saying.

I’ve told you how it happened. You can choose to believe me or not.

I can’t speak for Hockey Monkey, but there is a significant chance my vote will end up on MHaye, so if you are going to vote with “the herd” (not ideal, but at least we know you’re not doing so with malicious intent) I don’t think the “the herd” votes have necessarily settled yet.

If you have time please re-read to make sure you’re fine with your vote. Hockey Monkey’s vote is a poke the lurker vote from the beginning of the Day and Hal Briston has posted since, but HM hasn’t.

Unofficial vote count - 2h20m to go:
Hal Briston (6) - Cookies, special ed, hockey monkey, brewha, Nanook, Total Lost
Mhaye (4) - Hal Briston, Zeriel, pedescribe, Natlaw
Nanook (2) - Millit the Frail, dotchan
brewha (1) - amrussell
JSexton (1) - Almost Human

unvote Nanook

vote MHaye

Admittedly, all I have on MHaye is that post about Hal (oh, the headache inducing paranoid conspiracy thoughts that this has brought up), but I’m going to go with my gut on this one.

I just finish reading - and I’ll be fine with a MHaye-vote reather then a Hal. So much for ud to agree :wink:

Unvote Hal - when does Day end??

If you want to change your vote, I suggest you do it soon. We want to give Mhaye a chance to claim if he wishes.

I’m gathering my cites, and he’s got plenty of pressure for a claim without my vote.

The way this game is played with the short Day is just not good for Town (and it’s even worse when RL come in the way AND night are filled with game-talk).

But you’re right - we need to vote soon to give Mhaye a chance to claim…
I really don’t see the point in the “confirmed” to vote together - when it works like this!

But I’ll give it a chance for now and

Vote Mhaye

Ok, that took a long time and wow was there a lot of apologies, excuses, and fluffy historical commentary about other games, inside jokes, ongoing strategy debates…and not much about this game.

Other than what has already been quoted recently, I think this is worth bringing up:

The statement about how there could be no masons, ergo even an un-counter-claimed mason carries risk caught my eye. It is valid, but in my mind it pretty much goes without saying, yet he said it. It could also be seen as possibly fishing for another mason to come out and back pede up (which I’m glad no one did). It might be interesting (though admittedly confirmation bias) if Hockey Monkey happens to remember that statement and whether or not she had any thoughts about it at the time, as one of pede’s fellow masons.

Unvote Hal
Vote Mhaye

Yeah I thought the day was going to last a little longer too. I wasn’t sure when you’d (TL) be back, and without a refresh from Hockey Monkey, we weren’t going to end up with an informed block vote anyway.

I would still rather vote Hal, but I’m also willing to follow our confirmed and not allow a last minute scum flurry. I’ve no idea where the vote actually is. I have Day ending in 1 hour 45 minutes. I’ll pay attention, and change my vote accordingly if there’s a believeable enough claim and backing from confirmeds.
Unvote Hal
Vote Mhaye

Let’s see how this turns out - and agree to get votes in a bit more early in the furture :slight_smile: