I’ll be honest. I’d be happy to string up Cookies. Between her dispute with you and defense of Macey, I think she is the most potentially scummy.
But, I’m willing to play along with NAF’s strategy for now.
We NAF does get off’d, we will be able to lynch Cookies with confidence or put her on the definitely town list. I’m willing to wait - but not more than a couple of days.
NETA - “We” = “When”
Jsexton, I can go dig up references if you need, but it looks like others have noticed the amrussell smudges too.
I think my vote would be on Cookies at this point, but it looks like the consensus is to let NAF have a whack at her, so I’m not voting there.
Unfortunately, thats my only strong feel. In the interest of not doing what I just called out several other posters for :D, I don’t wanna rattle off a list of who I think is slightly scummy. I’m neck deep in the offboard game right now, but I’ll do my best to see if I can dig something up. I haven’t seen anybody look at the vote timing on the Macey lynch, so I’ll peek there first, if I’m not beaten to it.
Then who do we lynch instead? Naf can investigate anyone. There is no advantage of him investigating Cookies over any other player.
What about my information on Total Lost?
Lynching you gets that information all the same. In fact it gets it from Story instead of Naf, a source I would trust a bit more.
The argument is that investigating Cookies has the potential to give us a two-fer (Total Lost).
Because, of course, there is only one player in the game who is even worth considering lynching. :smack:
I still think my case against MHaye has some merrit, but I think that there are a couple of other better cases out there. I need to go look at Night 2 and Day 3 again and I will attempt to do so dispasionatly.
An advantage also gotten by investigating anyone else. Lynch Cookies and have Naf investigate another player. If Cookies and said player come up town, there are your two confirmed non-deadites assuming Naf comes up town. If Naf isn’t town you still get one confirmed instead of the zero you would get otherwise.
Ok, so I guess y’all are going to talk about how scummy I am, and how you really want to lynch me all Day, NAF will (someday) come back with some sort of result that is not going to be conclusive unless he’s killed (regardless of what his choice ends up being unless I’ve missed something) and the Day will end with my name in blue a bunch of times, and for all of the pining over who a good candidate to lynch might be instead of me, that won’t be a topic of discussion anyway.
At least I can start looking at some people and how the reveal of my Townieness might impact their standing.
For all of those willing to vote for me right now, if you’ll do me and the rest of the Town the honor of summarizing your case, it would be greatly appreciated.
Are you a member of the honorable-but-wrong Hawkeyeop school of thought still trying to see? Or are you more concerned with the contents of my role PM? Or is there something else about me that is just rubbing you the wrong way?
No I’m okay with lynching you too 
And AmRussell and maybe Almost Human, though that case I haven’t looked into that closely yet. She is just pinging me a bit. The point is if the town believes Cookies is the most suspicious player they should lynch her today. There is no advantage to waiting for you.
Mhaye is playing like Mhaye does, perhaps a little more so then usual. He hasn’t been very active or helpful, but I’m not sure that makes him likely to be scum. He is the type of player I think you should be investigating. One that we don’t have much evidence on otherwise.
Except it doesn’t. If storyteller wanted to give Cookies knowledge that a player was town, he would have done so. “Total Lost is town-aligned.”
He didn’t do that. He left wiggle room. Why? Two choices:
I think it’s the latter, and I think the latter implies that Total Lost is not town.
And I knew this would come up (and I’m sorry Cookie but I think a part of me voting for you was a “OMGUS”-vote).
This is all WiFoM:
If NAF is scum - then what ever he says about me and Cookie will benefit scum
If Cookie is PFK or Scum - she would be able to be “confirmed” if she had any informations about me
Then we could talk about:
What if NAF and I were scum together - using COOKIE to comfirm me
It will never end!
Let’s play mafia (!) - a “confirmed” Town don’t really exist. We hope Pede is a mason. But we don’t know 100% for sure because the only truely confirmed town… is a dead town.
So would you all please stop trying to “confirm” me - it’s not possible before I die (or when first NAF is dead (if he turns up town) and then COOKIE is dead (and also town)… and then I might be “confirmed” but we would for sure just find an other WiFoM before that).
I’m town - but no way can we confirm that now!
Confirmed Via Death (copy-pasted from the Day/Night reveals):
MACEY, The Prince of Blades, a Deadite (Scum) Strongman
BUFFTABBY, the Skanky Vampire Demon, a Scum Roleblocker
PLEONAST, the Sorority Treasurer, a pro-Town mason
HAWKEYEOP, an Alpha Redshirt
PEEKERCPA, The Predator, a Third-Party Serial Killer
CHUCARA, a Beta Redshirt
DIGGITCAMARA, The Inquisitive Fool, a pro-Town something-or-other
Claimed:
*pedescribe, mason (more or less confirmed)
*dotchan, Alpha Redshirt
*zeriel, vanilla town of some stripe
*ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - “Ash” (not THAT Ash), also claims to have special information that TotalLost is not a deadite
*NAF, variant detective (can get “true”, “false”, or “inconclusive” on statements)
Investigation results from NAF:
(I think I may have missed a few there.)
Meanwhile, let’s play Mafia! And since story doesn’t seem interested in replacing or modkilling Blaster Master, who was last seen posting “I’m not dead” somewhere around Night Two-ish,
vote Blaster Master
Because he hasn’t given us any data points to analyze at all and the couple of times he was online didn’t offer up any plausible explanation as to why he hasn’t been playing.
If town does. It doesn’t seem that town does, it just seems that one townie, one probably townie and you who are dead think she should be lynched. A few others have said maybe, but other than that…
I am all set up so if Cookies is lynched Zeriel will be investigated instead. That isn’t my problem with lynching Cookies anymore. I took a step back and realized that most of my other arguments against it were selfish. But so are your’s and they leave out some large bits of potentially excuplatory evidence, such as…she requested to be investigated by me on pain of my own lynch.
Now that doesn’t mean anything to you, but to me that is a big + is the probably town collumn. You can’t trust that, fine, but I can’t vote for her knowing that I am being honest and that she wants me to investigate her based on your case Hawk. The rest of the case against her, the case that Pede and TL are pushing, is terrible.
I am just putting that out there.
Sure, if I live long enough I will investigate him. Untill then I think he is a worthwhile lynch. He isn’t playing like himself. His anaylsis is spot on usually, and in the case I presented against him I pointed out where he did analysis that left out large bits of evedence against the players lynch in order to place what boiled down to a “me too” vote on a townie. This coming from a player who has happily let a Day end without a vote at all because he didn’t see any case strong enough makes me wonder.
In fact, just for the record
vote MHaye
It probably won’t stay there, since it isn’t an airtight case and I am hoping to find one that is a little more solid, but for now I think it is worth while.
I am suspicious of amrussel too, as I said. It is all based on his reactions to unexpected events though and I really do need to anylize them more to be able to say if it is anything worth persuing. Had Nanook not stepped on my bait before I might have gotten some helpfull additional information out of him, but what’s done is done.
I am not too fond of Nanook’s play right there either, throw him on my list too. I am not entirely unserious though. People who are calling me out for piddly shit are suspect, since scum know that I am potentially very dangerous and would probably like to try to get me lynched early if they can. I don’t know that Nanook is really the best example of this, I am just still a little steamed that he stepped on my play like that.
BlaM has forgotten about the game it would seem. To me this says town more than not. And likely vanilla. Yes, we have had a case of scum forgetting that they were playing, but that isn’t really BlaM’s style. He is usually a bit more committed when he is scum. Metagaming? Yes, but why not metagame a bit?I would like to see him subbed if possible. You don’t have to respond Story, I just want to make sure you see it.
I don’t disagree, but we would also know she isn’t scum. And that is as important as anything.
It might indicate town, sure. But that’s pretty dangerous. I feel that if Blam was going to be replaced, it would have happened by now. So how long do we wait? What happens if we think we’re at LyLo, and don’t have any solid cases?
Hell, assume Blam is town, and has been investigated as such. If we get to LyLo with a player permanently absent, then all he does is increase the vote threshold without being able to supply a vote. That could cost us the game if the scum pile on a single player. And that’s best case where he’s town. If he’s scum, it’s even worse.
No, if Story isn’t planning on replacing him, then we need to deal with him. If not by lynch, then by vig. We’ve got some time before it becomes necessary, but we can’t lose sight of it.
No, we don’t. We don’t know that all scum are deadites.
Agreed. Though I think that the vig is the better option. We are ahead by a little bit right now in terms of caught vs. mislynches, I would rather not lose the initiative by wasting a lynch on a lurker. So it would be nice to have BlaM vigged or** even better subbed or mod killed**. I won’t tell the vig what to do though, since I get yelled at for leading the town around by the nose.
Let me make sure we are using the same terms.
deadite=mafia
mafia=scum
Third Party=not town but also not scum. Maybe dangerous to town (like an SK) maybe neutral (like a survivor).
PFK= The dangerous variety of Third Party players.
It seems to me we have a failure to communicate. Help me out.
Open of Day One, vote count:
pedescribe (1) – Pleonast
Pleonast (1) – Natlaw
D1.3, Jsexton votes Pleonast
D1.35, Pleonast unvotes Pedescribe
D1.62, Almost Human votes Pedescribe
D1.70, Natlaw unvotes Pleonast
D1.71, Bufftabby votes Pedescribe
D1.78, Hawkeye votes Pedescribe
D1.80, Thing Fish votes Pleonast
D1.83, Diggit votes Pedescribe
D1.87, Storyteller posts a vote count:
pedescribe (4) - Almost Human, bufftabby, hawkeyeop, diggitcamara
Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish
D1.90, Cookies votes for JSexton
D1.102, Total Lost votes for Thing Fish
D1.104, Special Ed votes for Thing Fish
D1.112, Special Ed unvotes Thing Fish
D1.113, Hockey Monkey votes JSexton
D1.114, Pedescribe votes Thing Fish
D1.120, Diggit unvotes Pedescribe
D1.121, Almost Human unvotes Pedescribe
D1.124, Natlaw votes for Diggit
D1.125, amrussell votes for Peeker
D1.129, Storyteller vote count:
pedescribe (2) - bufftabby, hawkeyeop
Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish
JSexton (2) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Hockey Monkey
Thing Fish (2) - Total Lost, pedescribe
Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw
peekercpa (1) - amrussell
D1.130, Brewha votes Macey
D1.131, Hawkeye unvotes Pedescribe and votes Macey
D1.132, Bufftabby unvotes Pedescribe
D1.137, Hockey Monkey unvotes Jsexton and votes Macey
D1.140, Special Ed votes Macey
My vote count:
Macey (4) - Brewha, Hawkeye, Hockey Monkey, Special Ed
Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish
JSexton (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
Thing Fish (2) - Total Lost, Pedescribe
Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw
Peekercpa (1) - amrussell
D1.150, NAF votes Chucara
D1.158, Bufftabby votes Cookies
D1.174, Dotchan votes Macey
D1.176, Pleonast votes JSexton
D1.177, JSexton unvotes Pleonast, votes Macey
D1.187, Peeker votes Thing Fish
D1.188, Pleonast unvotes JSexton and votes Thing Fish
My vote count:
Macey (6) - Brewha, Hawkeye, Hockey Monkey, Special Ed, Dotchan, JSexton
Thing Fish (4) - Total Lost, Pedescribe, Peeker, Pleonast
Pleonast (1) - Thing Fish
JSexton (1) - Cookies
Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw
Peekercpa (1) - amrussell
Chucara (1) - NAF
Cookies (1) - Bufftabby
D1.189, Diggit votes for Chucara
D1.190, Cookies unvotes JSexton and votes Blam
D1.191, Pedescribe unvotes Thing Fish and votes Macey
D1.193, amrussell unvotes Peeker and votes Rapier
D1.194, Natlaw unvotes Diggit and votes Peeker
D1.196, Chucara votes Thing Fish
D1.206, Storytellers vote count:
macey (7) - brewha, hawkeyeop, hockey monkey, special ed, dotchan, JSexton, pedescribe
Thing Fish (4) - total lost, peekercpa, Pleonast, Chucara
Chucara (2) - NAF1138, Diggitcamara
Pleonast (1) - Thing Fish
peekercpa (1) - Natlaw
CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1) - bufftabby
Blaster Master (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
Rapier42 (1) - amrussell
D1.208, Almost Human votes Millet the Frail
D1.209, Rapier votes Macey
D1.210, Millet the Frail votes Macey
D1.222, Almost Human unvotes Millet the Frail
Someone asked if anyone had analyzed the macey lynch. I did, on Day 2. I made 4 posts about it:
Of course, we have better knowledge now, and I focused on everyone who did not vote for macey, assuming that there would be more scum there. Maybe a poor assumption, but hey–it was only Day 2, and we can always look at the macey voters now. Most of my leads are either dead now. And then there’s NAF… I still believe Cookies is town, mainly because of what I said there. On Total Lost, I’m thinking PFK or town, but not scum. I may be naive, but I don’t think story would do that to us. :dubious:
You’re missing Zeriel and Hal Briston not voting Day Three. I tried to do some analysis but didn’t get much except for the none voters you mention (plus Zeriel). I think scum wouldn’t go bandwagon each day, but a town doesn’t have to either. I don’t think these three days have enough votes to see patterns in it, just use someone’s votes to support a case.
Not much according to my notes, I got some extra minor things. I have pedescribe as confirmed because Pleonast (a mason) called for masons to counter-claim if he was lying (unless Story made pedescribe some sort of traitor mason). So move knows thing from pedescribe to claims if you think that :).
Known things:
There are two third-party players according to pedescribe’s role PM.
Masons do not have an Alpha/Beta split up according to pedescribe.
CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies is not mason according to pedescribe.
peekercpa killed bufftabby Night One and got two points for it.
bufftabby burned to complete dead Day Three.
DiggitCamara asked Thing Fish Night Two if he found scum: Yes, but someone he didn’t interact with.
DiggitCamara asked Thing Fish Night Three who he investigated: bufftabby.
Claims:
Total Lost knows nothing of Cookies birthmark.