Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR

[Millit_the_Frail]

@NAF1138

Agreed. Though I think that the vig is the better option. We are ahead by a little bit right now in terms of caught vs. mislynches, I would rather not lose the initiative by wasting a lynch on a lurker. So it would be nice to have BlaM vigged or** even better subbed or mod killed**. I won’t tell the vig what to do though, since I get yelled at for leading the town around by the nose.

If you think he’s town, why not investigate him? If he’s just going to be around, not doing much or giving us anything to discuss re: his alignment, maybe we want him as part of the masonry. As it is, he stands to get lynched for nothing–wasting a lynch on a lurker (unless he does turn up scum). That kind of sucks for us if he’s town. If we confirm him, good, and we can forget about him and quit having the lurker discussion; if he’s scum, we lynch him straight up.

Personally, I’m not so sure he’s town–the way he came out of the woodwork to vote for peeker upon his very PFK-ish reveal is kind of scummy. He was the dreaded third vote, too! Dotchan was at 4 and Hawkeye at 3 votes at the time. Maybe he’s scum trying really, really hard not to leave a record of his thoughts or make a slip. Has he made slips in the past as scum?

[NAF1138]

@Millit_the_Frail

If you think he’s town, why not investigate him?

He never claimed anything. I can’t.

[Millit_the_Frail]

Arrrgh. I just re-read my post. Sorry to sound confrontational there NAF–I guess I still don’t understand how you’ve picked your targets and feel you should be investigating scummy players. But it’s not my power role. I want to trust you but don’t see how this tactic is more useful to us. It would be what I would do if I were scum making a false claim–keep finding townies instead of looking for scum. And you could be psuedo-attacking him here to throw us off his nasty Deadite scent. You’re desperate to get him modkilled, and we may not even have a Vig…

BTW, what do you think about the other lurkers–Hal and **zeriel **come to mind. Hal said he’d be back by now. Neither have voted at all.

[NAF1138]

Ok, several things.

1)I firmly believe that it is better for investigators to confirm town than catch scum. Catching scum is towns job, not the cops. The more confirmed townies you have the faster you can catch scum. It is like drawing a trap in on them, and the beauty is, if you do it well you don’t have to hide it.

2)I picked my targets because of their relative value to town vs. their negative value to scum. The scum gave us a freebee by killing Hawk. It was bad play on their part. Once he is confirmed all the vanilla townie is (besides being part of a trap) is a shiney worry and distraction for scum. We lose little if the scum kill them, and the trap just gets tighter. If they kill outside them they tighten the trap on themselves. Again, win win for town.

3. If there is a time when it seems like we are better served by me investigating someone scummy than by me investigating someone who isn’t, I will be willing to listen to opposing arguments. But really we haven’t gotten to that point yet. If someone is so scummy that I should investigate them, why not lynch them? If there are two people who are equally scummy, why not lynch and vig? If there are three people, then sure maybe me investigating is the way to go. We can cross that bridge when we come to it. At the moment I don’t it seems likely.

4)4 I prefer modkill to lynching or vigging (and substitution to either) because it helps town most. We only get 1 lynch and 1 vig per Day/Night. Scum isn’t going to kill BlaM. So I would rather have the mod do it and we still get to use our vig or lynch. We don’t lose our initiative on taking care of BlaM. Sadly, even if he is 100% confirmed town, JSexton is right, if he can’t vote in endgame he doesn’t do us any good. But I can’t confirm him anyway since he never claimed.

5. If we don’t have a vig then I will be very surprised. It would mean that scum took 2 kills on Night 1. That is possible, but it’s bad play. And to not have a vig when we are facing 5 scum with a bonus kill, an SK and at least 1 other third party element…and aproximately 10 of our townies were vanilla to start with…

We better have a vig of some flavor or Story and I are going to have words after the game is over.

[NAF1138]

Oh and,

Hal bothers me, but Zeriel is claimed Vanilla town. I am not worried about Z right now.

[Rapier42]

@Natlaw

You’re missing Zeriel and Hal Briston not voting Day Three. I tried to do some analysis but didn’t get much except for the none voters you mention (plus Zeriel). I think scum wouldn’t go bandwagon each day, but a town doesn’t have to either. I don’t think these three days have enough votes to see patterns in it, just use someone’s votes to support a case.

Thats interesting that you don’t see anything in there, because I certainly do… Pleo looks very fishy to me (argued against Macey lynch, voted Thingfish at a critical point). And doubly interesting, considering that you yourself voted for Peeker while the Macey lynch was still in doubt.

Not much according to my notes, I got some extra minor things. I have pedescribe as confirmed because Pleonast (a mason) called for masons to counter-claim if he was lying (unless Story made pedescribe some sort of traitor mason). So move knows thing from pedescribe to claims if you think that :).

Hows that, now? Who is a mason? Did I miss something?

Vote NatLaw

[Millit_the_Frail]

@Rapier42

Thats interesting that you don’t see anything in there, because I certainly do… Pleo looks very fishy to me (argued against Macey lynch, voted Thingfish at a critical point). And doubly interesting, considering that you yourself voted for Peeker while the Macey lynch was still in doubt.

Hows that, now? Who is a mason? Did I miss something?

Vote NatLaw

**Pleonast **was a Mason. We found out when he was killed.

[Rapier42]

Regarding Pleo - the thing keeping me from voting him is that he claimed he’d be moving his vote from JSexton to Thing Fish before the Macey train started rolling. Were he lacking that touch of plausible deniability, I’d be on him like Santo on a co-ed.

[Rapier42]

@Millit_the_Frail

**Pleonast **was a Mason. We found out when he was killed.

???

When did this happen, and why was my office not informed?

unvote Natlaw

skulks off to check he’s playing in the right game

[Rapier42]

Open of Day One, vote count, with added color! :smack:
pedescribe (1) – Pleonast
Pleonast (1) – Natlaw

D1.3, Jsexton votes Pleonast
D1.35, Pleonast unvotes Pedescribe
D1.62, Almost Human votes Pedescribe
D1.70, Natlaw unvotes Pleonast
D1.71, Bufftabby votes Pedescribe
D1.78, Hawkeye votes Pedescribe
D1.80, Thing Fish votes Pleonast
D1.83, Diggit votes Pedescribe

D1.87, Storyteller posts a vote count:
pedescribe (4) - Almost Human, bufftabby, hawkeyeop, diggitcamara
Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish

D1.90, Cookies votes for JSexton
D1.102, Total Lost votes for Thing Fish
D1.104, Special Ed votes for Thing Fish
D1.112, Special Ed unvotes Thing Fish
D1.113, Hockey Monkey votes JSexton
D1.114, Pedescribe votes Thing Fish
D1.120, Diggit unvotes Pedescribe
D1.121, Almost Human unvotes Pedescribe
D1.124, Natlaw votes for Diggit
D1.125, amrussell votes for Peeker

D1.129, Storyteller vote count:
pedescribe (2) - bufftabby, hawkeyeop
Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish
JSexton (2) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Hockey Monkey
Thing Fish (2) - Total Lost, pedescribe
Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw
peekercpa (1) - amrussell

D1.130, Brewha votes Macey
D1.131, Hawkeye unvotes Pedescribe and votes Macey
D1.132, Bufftabby unvotes Pedescribe
D1.137, Hockey Monkey unvotes Jsexton and votes Macey
D1.140, Special Ed votes Macey

My vote count:
Macey (4) - Brewha, Hawkeye, Hockey Monkey, Special Ed
Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish
JSexton (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
Thing Fish (2) - Total Lost, Pedescribe
Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw
Peekercpa (1) - amrussell

D1.150, NAF votes Chucara
D1.158, Bufftabby votes Cookies
D1.174, Dotchan votes Macey
D1.176, Pleonast votes JSexton
D1.177, JSexton unvotes Pleonast, votes Macey
D1.187, Peeker votes Thing Fish
D1.188, Pleonast unvotes JSexton and votes Thing Fish

My vote count:
Macey (6) - Brewha, Hawkeye, Hockey Monkey, Special Ed, Dotchan, JSexton
Thing Fish (4) - Total Lost, Pedescribe, Peeker, Pleonast
Pleonast (1) - Thing Fish
JSexton (1) - Cookies
Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw
Peekercpa (1) - amrussell
Chucara (1) - NAF
Cookies (1) - Bufftabby

D1.189, Diggit votes for Chucara
D1.190, Cookies unvotes JSexton and votes Blam
D1.191, Pedescribe unvotes Thing Fish and votes Macey
D1.193, amrussell unvotes Peeker and votes Rapier
D1.194, Natlaw unvotes Diggit and votes Peeker
D1.196, Chucara votes Thing Fish

D1.206, Storytellers vote count:
macey (7) - brewha, hawkeyeop, hockey monkey, special ed, dotchan, JSexton, pedescribe
Thing Fish (4) - total lost, peekercpa, Pleonast, Chucara
Chucara (2) - NAF1138, Diggitcamara
Pleonast (1) - Thing Fish
peekercpa (1) - Natlaw
CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1) - bufftabby
Blaster Master (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
Rapier42 (1) - amrussell

D1.208, Almost Human votes Millet the Frail
D1.209, Rapier votes Macey
D1.210, Millet the Frail votes Macey
D1.222, Almost Human unvotes Millet the Frail

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There.

Oh, and in case anybody missed it, Pleo is dead…

[special_ed]

@Rapier42

Regarding Pleo - the thing keeping me from voting him is that he claimed he’d be moving his vote from JSexton to Thing Fish before the Macey train started rolling. Were he lacking that touch of plausible deniability, I’d be on him like Santo on a co-ed.

that’s odd, What stops me from voting for pleo is that he’s already dead.

[special_ed]

@amrussell

Summary:
Overall, I’m leaning town. There’s maybe a slight tendency to get more involved in tactical discussions rather than hunting scum, but he does appear to be looking for the town advantage. More to the point, there are actions that are difficult to see as scum-motivated - specifically, producing the DC question and highlighting the risk of scum bumping off NAF’s good guys.

I hope you lean enough to unvote me eventually

[Millit_the_Frail]

@special_ed

that’s odd, What stops me from voting for pleo is that he’s already dead.

Are you there Pleo? It’s me, Millit.

I think we’ve gotten it through his head. But the question remains: how scummy is it to forget a dead Mason? Just messing with you, Rapier.

[Pleonast]

@Rapier42

Oh, and in case anybody missed it, Pleo is dead…

Oops.

[MHaye]

Apologies to all for inactivity today.

I have a job interview scheduled for 10:30 tomorrow morning, and I haven’t been able to concentrate on the game today.

Wish me luck, and I’ll see you all in the middle of tomorrow afternoon.

[JSexton]

@NAF1138

Ok, several things.

1)I firmly believe that it is better for investigators to confirm town than catch scum. Catching scum is towns job, not the cops. The more confirmed townies you have the faster you can catch scum. It is like drawing a trap in on them, and the beauty is, if you do it well you don’t have to hide it.

I agree with this, with the caveat that the cop should focus on lynchable players. THe idea is that you reduce the pool of lynchable players to just scum.

4)4 I prefer modkill to lynching or vigging (and substitution to either) because it helps town most. We only get 1 lynch and 1 vig per Day/Night. Scum isn’t going to kill BlaM. So I would rather have the mod do it and we still get to use our vig or lynch. We don’t lose our initiative on taking care of BlaM. Sadly, even if he is 100% confirmed town, JSexton is right, if he can’t vote in endgame he doesn’t do us any good. But I can’t confirm him anyway since he never claimed.

But as a I said before, the mod isn’t telling us what he plans to do. By this time toMorrow, if Blam is still in the game, then I don’t think the mod plans to do anything, and it’s up to us, using our limited tools.

5. If we don’t have a vig then I will be very surprised. It would mean that scum took 2 kills on Night 1. That is possible, but it’s bad play. And to not have a vig when we are facing 5 scum with a bonus kill, an SK and at least 1 other third party element…and aproximately 10 of our townies were vanilla to start with…

Here’s what I’m thinking. Some mechanics seem to be based on in-thread actions. You can only investigate statements made. The apparent vig kill may have been based on votes. Diggit got to talk to dead players, and was answered in-thread. It’s possible that the vig has restrictions on what happens here; if so, Blam may be untouchable if he doesn’t post.

@Rapier42

Thats interesting that you don’t see anything in there, because I certainly do… Pleo looks very fishy to me (argued against Macey lynch, voted Thingfish at a critical point). And doubly interesting, considering that you yourself voted for Peeker while the Macey lynch was still in doubt.

How do you do detailed vote analysis, yet miss Pleo’s death and role?

[special_ed]

We had 3 deaths to start Day 2. Thing Fish, Bufftabby, and Pleonast. The start of Day 3, and Day 4 had only one death

We know know that Thing Fish investigated Bufftabby.

Could that have been the cause of the 2 deaths?

@storyteller0910

THING FISH, the Religious Figure Having a Crisis of Faith, a Pro-Town Investigator, has combusted.

PLEONAST screams again, looks up. BUFFTABBY has been transfixed to the wall of the garage, impaled through the chest with a piece of rebar. Her head slumps low. On her forehead is a bright red handprint. Suddenly, she looks up, still pinned to the wall by the rebar.

BUFFTABBY
(Demonically)
I’ll swallow your souls!!! Uh… would somebody let me down?

BUFFTABBY, the Skanky Vampire Demon, a Scum Roleblocker, is about as dead as MACEY.

perhaps Thing Fish, as a religious Figure, and **Bufftabby **as a vampire somehow killed each other due to the investigation.

and maybe Pleo was the Scum kill?

I’m not sure where I’m going with this. It doesn’t really alter our strategy only to suggest that maybe we don’t have a Night Vote based Vig or SK, and maybe we don’t have a Vig or SK. Or maybe a protector of sorts has gotten lucky the past 2 Nights?

[NAF1138]

Peeker was the SK, remember?

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Speaking for myself, that is certainly a possibility that I’ve been carrying around since reading storyteller’s post, and I believe it was discussed already once. Wasn’t it?

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

NETA “that” being that maybe Thing Fish’s investigation killed them both.