The risk of infinite recursion for one thing Imagine if we end up lynching Mosier every day for the whole damn game :eek:
I think this is a legitimate use for the day attacks though - although, we don’t actually know what, if anything, will be revealed if someone dies from their wounds.
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Will the death reveal for players killed at the end of day by being attacked be the same as for lynchs / NK’s in terms of information revealed? **
The problem with attacking is the lack of accountability given we don’t know who attacked who. On the plus side, it put a greater onus on people to make a new case rather than revoting people they lynched the day before?
I would respond to this, if I actually understood what you were saying. I get the “for starting the vote against me on Day 1” bit, but I’m not entirely sure what it is that I’m supposed to have said that I didn’t say, but I actually did…
I assume from this post that you cannot vote as a Zombie. I believe you mentioned earlier that you would be more coherent at Night, so hopefully we can have a more fruitful conversation then.
I think I’ve responded reasonably to the questions I’ve gotten toDay, yet I still am under scrutiny from some very seasoned players. Why is that?
There has not been one single flinch from Suburban since he voted me and yet there is no case on me other than that I am new.
You haven’t contributed much in the way of pressure, this vote just seems like a half-assed attempt at looking for scum to survive another Day without getting a FOS. It’s certainly enough to sway me.
You’d stand a better chance of avoiding a lynch if you’d actually participate.
I voted for you way back as a ‘pressure’ vote. I’ve been thinking I would move my vote for some time, but you’re not actually doing anything to make me want to do that. Every time I think about it, I look back at your contribution to the game so far, and every time I am more comfortable with my vote than I was the time before.
If I get lynched it’s because I’ve played bad and I recognize that, I won’t hold anything against anyone. But right now, I haven’t been playing badly.
I’ve explained repeatedly that this is D1 for me in this game, I’m completely fresh and replacing someone. I’m sure you’d find a better lynch subject somewhere else if you were bothered to look.
Yes, you’ve repeatedly told us it’s Day 1 for you. We get it.
What you haven’t done is any real analysis of anybody’s play, from this Day or any other.
summary of **Believerer’s **Posts in this game
1518 - says hello
1598 - has caught up. mentions he’s a bad mafia player. thinks normal is town, but could use some vote pressure. thinks visorslash is fishy, but could be third party or town
1644 - can’t read normal phase. she is too dangerous to be left alone even if innocemt, which he’s starting to doubt
1646 - we have evidence normal is not scum. a scummy normal would be laying lower
1782 - votes pendant to himself. wonders why there’s only one lynch vote so far
1818 - mentions having issues preventing him from posting on day 2
1822 - confirms ‘posting issues’ were not a game mechanic
1825 - wonders who should get the pendant and why
1837 - hasn’t been able to analyze much yet, except for normal phase. thinks he should get the pendandt because of his poor situation - not having leveled up becuause of not having voted in previous days
1839 - getting the pendant would make him feel better about his chances and help level the playing field
1886 - votes bobarrgh. agrees with scathach’s analysis of bob
1917 - notes there are too many cases floating around, so he picked the best one he could find, since this is like day 1 to him
1936 - reiterates, in response to questioning, that his day 2 silence was due to RL issues
1981 - fluff post
2051 - comment on mod-kills
2065 - unvotes bobarrgh, votes suburban for not making a case on anyone else
2068 - explains why his play in this game has been ‘bad’
It’s been ‘Day 1’ for you since last Tuesday. Haven’t you been able to come up with anything in the last 9 days?
Honestly NAF looks pretty good to me on day one. Maybe a little (ok a lot) less wordy than he usually is as town, but the reactions and the reads are ok and don’t look forced anywhere. But day one’s easy and he hasn’t been around in the four days since he said he was back. Jury’s still out. I don’t know if I could vote for him today or not.
You’re miscontruing my reasoning there for voting, Mhaye.
I am not voting **Naf **for being nonparticipatory.
I’m suspicious of him FOR BEING PARTICIPATORY.
He has been voting every day, he’s been leveling up every day.
Yet, what’s his contribution? Storyteller in his first day back has given more information and contributions than NAF, but NAF has gained at least 2 levels.
I’m voting for NAF, because he’s flying under the radar, NOT because he’s noncontributory. There’s a difference.
Really, you want to know what I learned in 24 hours? :smack: The same thing you probably can learn.
I wanted to see who reacted to my giving of the pendant to the Zombie. I wanted to know if anyone else agreed with the idea, or was pro-Pendant zombies, if they’d vote for it or try to cover it up and say “I was just being silly” or “yeah, that sounds like a good idea!” and vote.
I wanted to follow the votes on the Pendant and see who reacts, because likely the Pendents are best used by those of a magical alignment. Watching who seems eager to pass along the pendent would show where the interests lie- I expect very few soldiers to care for such magical trinkets.
-My other thing i wanted to see is How does the Zombie react to getting the pendent. Did he want it? Did he not care, etc. Obviously too early to gauge the reaction in 24 hours. but thanks.
-The people who’ve immediately disliked the idea of the Pendant going to the non-magical soldier have been noted though. That is certainly interesting, especially when they freak out over a single vote. They are highly paranoid, looking to build a case against me (using silly reasoning of an item vote), or they’re interested in said pendent. That or maybe they think I AM the necromancer and trying to give the zombie the pendent? If that’s the case, well, I know I’m not a magic user, and my attacks have been traceable throughout the Days as a few others may already know. But certainly not you.
Anyways, there’s my thoughts on the Magical Pendent. That’s what I’ve only learned in 24 hours. I wish I had the rest of the Day, as I was going to unvote anyways. But I think I’ll keep my pendent vote here longer anyways.
See, THIS bothers me about Naf. He’s coming off as Townie for what? Being less talkative than he normally does as Town
And he hasn’t been around. So he’s again under the radar.
I think we’re ending up going for a lynch the Loud, and in a game of this size, scum should diversify- some loud, some quiet, and some in the middle. I think **NAF **is the one trying to fly under the radar by not getting any heat- BUT still leveling up and advancing his HP and abilities.
Why did you expect anyone to follow your lead, if you yourself think giving the pendant to the zombie is a bad idea? Why are you surprised you got called out for it, if you were planning on calling out others for following your lead?
Why do you think the pendant is better for magical users, when presumably nobody knows what it does? Why do you call it a “magical” pendant? Why is it necessarily bad for a soldier to get or want the pendant?
What does a reaction to an admittedly bad idea reveal about someone? Do only scum call out bad ideas? Do only townies follow your lead?
I don’t understand any of your thought process, and it’s filled with assumptions that you can’t back up anyway. It sounds like reasoning after the fact to me.
Now that you’ve heard my reasoning for the NAF Vote, AND for the Pendant Vote [And you’re one of the few people that actually recall my style of playing], what do you think?
Do you need any further clarifications? Or still in the dark about me?
Quite, but your characterization is not actually true. NAF on day one was more or less equivalent in terms of participation as Storyteller has been today. Storyteller’s perhaps asking better questions, so I will give him some edge there, but it’s not a huge one. And NAF does not actually have a vote down today, abstention or otherwise.
I actually think his non-participation so far on day three (after saying he was back) is a better case against him than having voted abstain on day two.
It’s possible - having just reviewed NAF’s posts I’ll give you that I think it’s a legitimate spot to place a vote. I’m not entirely sure you were coming at it from a legitimate perspective.
I need to make sure I’m on solid ground with MHaye, next.
I have, I just voted you for skating by the whole day. Since one game day is 9 real time days on this forum, this is still technically D1 for me.
I can’t really see the complaints of not analyzing enough when even you bring up these posts I’ve made. What are these if not analyzis?
I’ll take them in order.
1598 - I had spoken to Normal in private and she seems town to me, but as I mention in the later post, she has fooled me before. I lean town on her. Visorslash has been a bother for me on the .Org before, since he is irregular in my eyes and rarely stays within one distinguishable pattern.
1644 - I metagame Normal Phase here, saying that I can’t see clearly whether she’s town or scum. Regardless of this I think at this moment that she could be deserving pressure votes. Since then I’ve dropped much of my suspiciouns towards her due to private conversations. I’ve seen her as scum, this is not how she has behaved those times.
1646 - Sort of answered in the last one.
2065 - I don’t vote you for not making a case, I vote you for sticking with the one you have for no apparent reasoning. You voted me which is simple, seeing as how I am both a replacement and new to this forum so nobody will object. You can easily vote me this round and either see me lynched. Researching a little on this forum I get the feeling that you are not a player that will take the easy way out. This is a huge scum tell for me and I think I’ve got you now.
All in all, the “case” you describe against me where you say I have not done analyzis doesn’t hold up and you even quote me refuting it.
Imagine if we end up lynching Mosier every day for the whole damn game :eek:
