Interesting that neither of you supposedly see the dilemma. It’s almost like you know **Scathach **will flip Scum, so you haven’t thought about the alternative. I give **Plumpudding ** slightly more credit for his answer because it sounds more genuinely confused.
What on earth? Of course I’ve thought about the ‘alternative.’
I expect Scathach to flip patsy. I have spent the **entire day **building on the premise that Scathach will flip patsy. Your ‘alternative’ has been my primary focus all damned day. Even if I’ve been lying, the idea that I somehow haven’t even thought about a scenario with a patsy-Scathach is a laughable, desperate-looking smudge.
If Scathach flips scum, I will be (quite pleasantly) surprised and then I will go back and decide whether I think my case against you is still the best one on the table.
At this time, though, with the hammer activated, I refuse to openly speculate on what mafia might choose to do because I do not know whether day orders have been locked in. They do not need to know what I perceive the highest-value moves to be.
Sorry.
I’m at a loss. Care to share this “dilemma”? Some of us bulbs are dimmer than you.
vote Scathach
Damn. He is LOADED with dismissiveness. I’ve got pretty good odds on him flipping scum, at this point. Bio, your entire game has been played with this flippant attitude.
My bulb isn’t that bright, but I suppose I have extra motivation to figure out what is going on if **Scathach ** is a mislynch. Because I would probably be next.
Who will Scum kill toDay if **Scathach **is really Patsy? Will they kill Captain Klutz? If they do and **Koldanar **has complied and gone ahead with their redirection scheme, then they duplicate the kill and lose the advantage of the redirection.
If therefore they do not kill Captain Klutz, do they instead kill Lutha? No. Lutha is needed for their scheme.
So now Mafia is forced to kill one of the 4 vanilla Town claimants. But that shrinks the pool for the remaining Scum player to hide in. Perhaps now **Koldanar ** does not have to be so concerned about the one Scum being able to hide long enough to kill both Lutha. Maybe he has less motivation to follow Scum orders. Maybe Koldanar really will not go through with redirecting for Scum regardless of anything. Maybe **Koldanar ** actually does nothing and Scum **Hawkeye ** is killed by the Patsy.
So then who do Scum kill? Do they kill Captain Klutz after all? But what if **Koldanar ** has gone ahead with their scheme? Do they kill Lutha? …and around and around it goes.
I feel like neither **JB ** nor **Plumpudding **have thought about this at all. This is especially odd for **Johnny Bravo **who has analyzed seemingly everything to this point.
Wow, Koldanar. That’s pretty harsh.
This may not have been my top game, but I gave it the best shot I could under the circumstances. I made good cases on **Zeriel **and boozahol. My case on Professor Pepperwinkle was wrong but not flippant. I defended Lutha when others were calling for their blood. I picked **TexCat **out as Scum pretty early. I claimed my switch when it became inoperative. I didn’t jump on the **Colby **bandwagon when it would have been easy and I tried to keep **brewha **from being mislynched.
I shouldn’t have called the game over for Town so early, but where is the Scum motivation for that? I did not foresee LUTHA switching sides, and according to you, LUTHA is not switching sides. Therefore the game really was close to being over and Town really is a heavy favorite to win.
Pick out individual examples of my flippancy if you want and I can defend them the best I can. But you do not have a case to dismiss my whole game.
I hope you know it’s nothing personal, right? 
Just a read I’ve been getting this day, especially. Heck, there were some days you were blended in so much I didn’t know you were in the game (which is true of many of the players, 55 was a MASSIVE amount to start with). I really believe the last scum is hiding between you and Johnny B, but his play has altered lately, from my reading.
Why would I think about all this? Feels like you’re trying at some kind of “gotcha” argument.
Yeah, exactly. You’re speculating on something that is pure, crystalline WIFOM.
I’ve thought about it, but not too much because I don’t speculate about WIFOM unless I think it’s going to get me somewhere. What value is there in trying to figure out who mafia is going to daykill? We have no protective roles. We have no watcher.
I’ve also said before that I’m trying to antagonize Koldanar less, since he still has the power to tilt things away from us if Scathach is in fact the patsy.
Shame on me for not analyzing even more than I already have been. I must be scum. I’m just not doing enough work here. You caught my tell!
I never finished this thought. Too much jumping around.
What value is there in trying to figure out who mafia is going to daykill now that the day is over? Especially since we have no idea whether the hammer ended their order window? Plumpudding is right - this feels like a “gotcha” question. It’s already a “gotcha” premise, and one that I already addressed when you accused me of not even considering the possibility that Scathach is the patsy.
Which, again, is utterly ludicrous. I have done nothing today but that.
Yes. I am trying for some kind of “gotcha.” That’s the point of questioning. You and **Johnny Bravo **have stated you think I am Scum because I have not analyzed enough or I am too scheming. Because I have been flippant. I haven’t posted pages arguing about whether **raventhief **is Scum or not.
And then you wonder why I might want to know what you think the Mafia nefarious scheme could be?
Why should you consider anything more once you suspect me? Is that what you are asking?
I know you are wrong about me and I have been trying to find out what you are thinking and why. The same with Johnny Bravo.
I think one of you two is Scum. I know one of you two is not Scum. If Scathach is a mislynch then anticipating the possible outcomes is important. When trying to figure those out, the dilemma for Scum becomes obvious. Are you really so sure I am Scum that you do not care to bother to even look at the implications?
Literally the exact opposite of what has been said in this thread.
If Scathach is a mislynch, I’ll have no way whatsoever to influence whatever actions may follow toNight. Whatever Koldanar does, whatever scum do, I can’t do anything to stop them doing that. What I’m not gonna do is wallow in WIFOM only relevant to scum right now. For me it’s only interesting after the fact. This should be pretty obvious.
I care about who we lynch, and I’ve several times stated my prefered lynch-candidate: Hawkeyeop. But, I’ll follow consensus and hope for the best.
I was addressing Plumpudding, who asked why he should think about all this. I am pretty sure you have been thinking about it.
My wife is coming home now. Let’s all see what happens.
The hammer has fallen, but Day has not been ended yet?
I want to see what happens! Bring it on.
Sorry guys I moved the time back to 5pm because of my work schedule, and I should be able to end the Day shortly. I need about 20 more minutes.
Additional delays. Sorry, something was brought to my attention that I’m attempting to resolve. Soon.
Something has just occurred to me: the fire in the opening colour has still not been explained. Was it just colour, or is there another third party out there?
**Koldanar - Pontiff LUTHA **and Scathach - mafia enforcer
(forgive the lack of color coding) are both dead in one of the weirdest double bluff gambits I have ever seen. Seriously, the viewing threads went (relatively) nuts when that happened.
So that puts an end to some suspense. The new Day is going to be delayed for just a minute due to the aforementioned issue. Frankly I’ll be thrilled if any of you guys speak to us again after tomorrow. So, I’m putting it off.
Back with a link when the new Day starts. It will go til Monday Night.