Mafia Reunion Day 4

[paulwhoisaghost]

@TexCat

Either of these would work, but we need 14 for the second lynch…that means 15 for the first lynch or 29 of 39. Not much leeway for non-voters or one-off voters.
I was a big proponent of lynching ProfP yesterDay, but given his cross-voting with ToeJam and JSGoddess, I’m inclined to think he’s not a wolf. He could very easily be mafia, but I’m willing to give him a temporary pass for the time being.
Do you not think that extra day death could be attributed to LUTHA? It certainly has to be some 3P. Your continued defense of LUTHA leads me to suspect that you might be a cultist.

@TexCat

I guess I’ve heard this expression before, but not one that I would ever use. But just to add that Crys’s PM shows:
I note that (Non-Hostile) appears as part of her alignment.

@TexCat

It’s hard to assign scum motivation to anyone voting for Idle. What was the alternative? Enough people unvoted, ProfP was lynched and Idle truly went idle and was mod-killed today. Two deaths as opposed to one. Wouldn’t scum like that better? Unless you think ProfP was scum, and the people voting Idle were trying to save ProfP???

@TexCat

Guiri’s vote counts in D3.941 showing all of the votes and unvotes may be helpful.

@TexCat

Who exactly do you think IS responsible for the extra kill yesterday?

@TexCat

Khameleon
D1.979 Trying to catch up. 2nd post better than editing. Colby may or may not have made a slip. Pinged by Septimus.
D1.982 Correcting what she said Colby said.
D1.1407 Crappy outcome. Not sure who she would have voted for.
Seems odd to me that she attributes one of the deaths (Septimus, Normal Phase) to 3rd party.
D2.66 Another crappy start. May have been mixed up about kills. Perhaps Suburban tracked someone before he died? FOS ToeJam; 3 known townies voted for him. Idle’s lack of interest might be because he is VT?
D2.67 Disagrees with Drain’s vote on CaptK, because soft claim from Septimus did look suspicious.
D2.202 May be misremembering whether it’s town!Idle or scum!Idle that doesn’t like to play.
D2.207 Questions Brewha’s switch claim, based on Batman’s role with “You don’t get to not kill someone”.
D2.208 Extra quote above?
D2.492 FOS Brewha
D2.716 Votes Brewha. Brewha’s switch PM does not match CaptK’s or Crys’s. Inclined to partially believe Crys.
D2.717 Not sure JohnnyB’s idea of having all the cultists claim is a good one.
D2.1117 Crap! Sorry Brewha - I really though you were lying about being Town
D3.593 Meeko’s poke vote is fair. Trying to catch up. Votes Idle.
D3.808 This vote feels to me like it’s being cast by someone scummy who knows my alignment is Town and has knowledge about me, possibly from an investigation or whatnot. It might be OMGUS but FOS Thing Fish.
D3.810 Idle - I have no idea if he’s playing us or not, but I’m a bit more inclined to think he is. ToeJam - I believe his claim for now. Five cultists seems like too many.
D3.811 Huh? at SNF’s Huh?
D3.825 All I was trying to do was to make a point that Thing Fish’s vote on me was weak and therefore perhaps he had addition information about me he didn’t care to elaborate on. It feels like someone searching for a place for a vote that will be somewhat inconspicuous.
D3.827 Thanks Lakai.2 for finding scum role that could get info. Agrees with CaptK that LtL unlikely to work.
D3.1014 Fluff
D3.1017 Seriously? I was right about Thing Fish being scummy and that makes me suspicious?
D3.1018 Sorry to see Idle go. ThingFish was fishy because of his crap reasons for voting for me.

I’m still having trouble confusing Khameleon with Koldanar. So I wanted to review their posts. Here are my notes FWIW from Khameleon. At the end of D2 I was starting to think she had to be 3rd party, based on her believing Crys and voting Brewha, plus the odd statement that Septimus must have been killed by 3rd party. But then D3, she started talking about five cultists being too many, and so I’m not so sure.
No vote D1. Voted Brewha D2. Voted Idle D3. OMGUS FOS’s.

Hope I find time to look at Koldanar next.

@TexCat

And Happy Birthday, SNF!

@TexCat

Review of Koldanar.
Votes: D1-Lakai D2-SNF D3-no vote

D1.247 The Understudy vs. A wizard. More than 1 wizard?
D1.821 Catching up, but don’t trust the mods. Missed line about 1 of each role.
D1.900 Votes Lakai for jumping on the Colby bandwagon, even though Colby’s post does read as off.
D2.119 Burby targeted because of post count? Still catching up.
D2.271 Disagrees with Angel that JSG repeating her D1 suspicions was suspicious.
D2.274 Responds to Lightfoot. Defends Lakai vote on D1.
D2.278 Again to Lightfoot. Red & PCM non-posting is anti-town.
D2.285 Still to Lightfoot. Suspicious of Inner Stickler for D2.109 where he speculates on a Boozy-Angel scum show.
D2.494 Multi-lynch OK in early game. Brewha: I’m fairly confident that he’s on the up-and-up here.
D2.528 Explains to Paul about Inner.
D2.635 Confused by Crys’s motivations. Why claim?
D2.636 Asks for all 3 switch claims.
D2.645 Damn java script on mobile.
D2.819 Votes SNF. Bandwagons Guiri’s vote on SNF for voting Crys.
D2.1070 Explains to Chronos post D2.819.
D3.166 OOG: Tree fell. May be quiet.
D3.309 Disagrees with Angel when Angel asks are they still in the game.
D3.346 ToeJam: barring CC town. Does not like LUTHA voters: JohnnyB, Ender, SNF.
D3.349 Lean list. A lot of neutrals.
D3.363 Lynching 3P is a mistake.
D3.1121 Apologizes for not voting. Promises thoughts later.
D3.1132 Lack of kills on D2 could be switches
D3.1134 Explains username
D3.1135 Asks JohnnyB about why lynching 3P (Sach) is worthwhile.
D3.1140 In response to JohnnyB. Agrees with his analysis in D2.990, but still thinks 3P not a good lynch.
D3.1144 Information overload in this game.
D4.237 Diggit has been under his radar.
D4.238 Too much meta from ProfP re why are they still alive
D4.239 Agrees with Paul re meta above
Koldy only posted 3 times on D1. All of his suspicions and most of his posts on Days 2 and 3 were based around not lynching 3P. And then this from today.

Koldy, there’s obviously an unknown 3P killer out there. Do you think he should be lynched? Or are you against all 3P lynches? Why do you believe Crys’s claim, but not Sachertorte’s? Why are you so sure that the LUTHA don’t have the ability to kill?

@TexCat

@Hoopy & Guiri: I find the discussion about whether it’s better to lynch mafia or wolves a little disingenuous since we’ve only managed to lynch town so far. Clearly either one, or even 3P, would be better than we’ve done so far.

@TexCat

When we can’t seem to tell the difference between scum and town, how do you propose we tell the difference between mafia and wolves? I just don’t see the point in discussing it, and can’t imagine why you do.

@TexCat

Not at all. I don’t think he’s a cultist. I didn’t ask him to claim. I was just thought I was seeing a shift in Koldanar’s position on 3P’s and trying to determine if there was a shift and what might have caused it.

Why are you being so protective of him? What gave you the idea that I was trying to force a claim? Why are you confronting me? What’s wrong with asking questions to both town and scum? Am I supposed to magically find scum first, and then start asking questions?

And Koldanar, thank you for answering. I see that the shift in opinion that I thought I was seeing was not there, or certainly not as big a shift as I had thought.

@TexCat

Happy Birthday, PlumPudding!

@TexCat

I don’t see much difference between a SK and a team with a kill (esp. if they don’t know each other and can’t communicate privately). I’m not sure why everyone is so insistent that the killer can’t be LUTHA.

@TexCat

What on earth makes you think that the wolves haven’t been hunting mafia from the get go? If they could lead a lynch on a mafia, it would increase their town cred. Plus a dead body is just a dead body to them. I don’t see any change in their strategy.

@TexCat

I think what you are seeing is me hitting my head against the wall in frustration. It started way back when Paul jumped in front of my questions for Koldanar back in 321. And has devolved into this ridiculous strategy discussion about whether it’s better to kill wolves or mafia or 3P, like we know who is who, like we haven’t lynched 3 townies in a row. Everybody’s strategy is pretty much the same, keep your team alive and kill everybody else.

But to your point about my pointing to the wolves first, that was due to Paul saying that the wolves have certainly changed strategy, shouldn’t town do the same. I was trying to argue that his entire premise was wrong. The wolves might want to kill mafia, but I don’t see how they could have a strategy to do so, when they don’t know anymore than we do who the mafia is.

@TexCat

**vote: Paul **

I’m not seeing any scum hunting from Paul. Neither mafia hunting nor wolf hunting. All I see is a lot a distracting “strategy” talk.

TexCat’s 17 posts from toDay are behind the spoiler.

My takeaway is that while he does comment on other discussions going on, the concentration of his own efforts seem to revolve around cultists. He says he likes the case on Diggit, but somehow doesnt know that I have been voicing suspicion of Diggit since I started playing and have even done a wow on Diggit, let alone that my vote is on Diggit. His vote comes at the end of the day when there are two lynch leaders he has said he would be happy to lynch, and a Prof P runner up that he is also okay with lynching. Why one off vote with no real sleuthing to back it up?

@TexCat, if you don’t like my discussion of strategy, fine. But please don’t accuse me of not scum hunting when you don’t even know if I am voting.

[paulwhoisaghost]

@TexCat

You’re not voting, are you? You sent ProfP on a wild goose chase and never did anything with his results. Yeah, you’ve talked a lot, but I haven’t seen many opinions today on who you think is scum.

I didn’t send Prof off on a wild goose chase. I asked him to give me more to judge him by. You even stated that yesterDay you were leaning town on Prof P and now you are suspicious of him. That has nothing to do with my requests and his responses? After his responses I am a lot more sure of him being scum than I was before. I have said that before. Maybe you missed it.

Maybe you also missed my other suspicions. Like DiggitCamara, who I am voting for? Or Boozy, who I have stated I am suspicious of but not for his paranoid fit at the beginning of Day?

If you haven’t seen me express suspicions, then you aren’t reading my posts.

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

@LightFoot

This is for **Prof P ** in reference to my earlier post 432
and this is not the only time ** Angel ** said this
D3.27 D3.125,D3.138,

Okay, you have made your point regarding Angel.

My vote is more of a gut reaction, so I’ll leave it there until tomorrow, and move it if I need to defend myself.

I was invoking the name of Angel because obviously no one is listening to me.

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

And just for the record, one more time, let’s see Who’s Posting:

Who Posted?
Total Posts: 483
User Name Posts
paulwhoisaghost 87
LightFoot 49
Prof. Pepperwinkle 37
snfaulkner 32
Boozahol Squid, P.I. 20
TexCat 17
Total Lost 15
raventhief 14
Koldanar 13
GuiriEnEspaña 13
Biotop 12
Inner Stickler 12
bufftabby 11
NAF1138 9
Nanook of the North Shore 9
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 9
Khameleon 9
HookerChemical 8
Lakai 7
Hoopy Frood 7
DiggitCamara 7
Hawkeyeop 7
Pleonast 6
sachertorte 6
Plumpudding 6
Crys75 6
Captain Klutz 5
AngeloftheNorth 5
sinjin 5
Hockey Monkey 5
BillMC 4
Enderw24 4
Mahaloth 4
Johnny Bravo 4
MHaye 3
Hal Briston 3
storyteller0910 2
Zeriel 2
Scathach 2
Cygnus42 2
Meeko 2
Sunny Daze 1
nesta 1
ToeJam 1

and more to the point, who isn’t.

[TexCat]

@paulwhoisaghost

TexCat’s 17 posts from toDay are behind the spoiler.

My takeaway is that while he does comment on other discussions going on, the concentration of his own efforts seem to revolve around cultists. ** He says he likes the case on Diggit**, but somehow doesnt know that I have been voicing suspicion of Diggit since I started playing and have even done a wow on Diggit, let alone that my vote is on Diggit. His vote comes at the end of the day when there are two lynch leaders he has said he would be happy to lynch, and a Prof P runner up that he is also okay with lynching. Why one off vote with no real sleuthing to back it up?

@TexCat, if you don’t like my discussion of strategy, fine. But please don’t accuse me of not scum hunting when you don’t even know if I am voting.

I did miss your vote, and find it odd that you haven’t mentioned Diggit again until now. You quoted all my posts, but I’m pretty sure that I never said I liked the case on Diggit. I never said I’d be happy to lynch either of the leaders. Why are you just lying? I mean, you just took the time to quote my posts, but you didn’t bother to read them? Or are you intentionally misrepping me?

[TexCat]

@paulwhoisaghost

I didn’t send Prof off on a wild goose chase. I asked him to give me more to judge him by. You even stated that yesterDay you were leaning town on Prof P and now you are suspicious of him. That has nothing to do with my requests and his responses? After his responses I am a lot more sure of him being scum than I was before. I have said that before. Maybe you missed it.

Maybe you also missed my other suspicions. Like DiggitCamara, who I am voting for? Or Boozy, who I have stated I am suspicious of but not for his paranoid fit at the beginning of Day?

If you haven’t seen me express suspicions, then you aren’t reading my posts.

And again you have this wrong. My vote was on ProfP yesterDay, but given the fact that JSG and ThingFish were voting him, I’m pretty sure he’s not a wolf, and am giving him the benefit of doubt toDay.

You’re saying it wasn’t a wild goose chase, but what exactly did you do with the results again?

[LightFoot]

@Prof.Pepperwinkle

Okay, you have made your point regarding Angel.

My vote is more of a gut reaction, so I’ll leave it there until tomorrow, and move it if I need to defend myself.

I was invoking the name of Angel because obviously no one is listening to me.

You could have just said that:smack:

Your inaccurate use of a killed Town theory will keep my vote where it is/

I see you have posted another post count post- that helps * your * post count ( which you put stock in-) but does it say anything to You?

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

@LightFoot

You could have just said that:smack:

Your inaccurate use of a killed Town theory will keep my vote where it is/

I see you have posted another post count post- that helps * your * post count ( which you put stock in-) but does it say anything to You?

It says we don’t have a prayer of getting a multi-lynch. I did post my list of 14 Scum yesterDay, based on the principle of LtL that has won me so much admiration. :smack: Most of the names are still in the bottom section of this list. I’ll be curious to see the results, one way or the other.

If I’m dead wrong, you can be sure I really will finally drop that strategem.

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

And it looks to me like a lot of players have just run out of steam.

[snfaulkner]

@Lakai

That would make my second point moot I guess. I don’t remember a rule or rule clarification about it.

More about my first point. If Biotop thought the switch holder was dead on Night three, and we had mostly dead town, then he must have thought the switch holder was town. If that is true, then why turn the switch off on the first night? It’s also a weird assumption to make (that the other switch holder is town - base on what evidence?), unless of course Biotop is scum, then it makes perfect sense to think town has the other switch.

If Biotop thought the switch holder was scum, then it wouldn’t make any sense to think the switch holder was dead on the third night. Even with two scum dead at that point it doesn’t make any sense.

Unvote Hooker Chemical

Vote Biotop (at least until he explains himself)

All this chatter over the switches…I can feel mahaloth wringing his hands a laughing maniacally through the ether.

[NAF1138]

@Crys75

I voted for enderw on the first page of the day and every vote count has missed it.

Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk

If you give me a post number I will make sure it gets added.

[snfaulkner]

Aaaaaaand now terquilers shots are happening
I haven’t seen anything to make me want to change my vote. ALso, the case on biotop is bullshit. He might be scum, but not for any of the reasons for which he has votes.

[snfaulkner]

NETA: no promises that I’ll be awake or alivery for EoD.

[sinjin]

@LightFoot

to the lynch
I still think **Pleo ** is Mafia and the PISsing match with **ToeJam ** was PIS/PIS
ToDay. I am fine with the current lynch leaders- although an easy lynch is usually a miss. IMO

I am waiting to see what ** Prof.P ** has to say re: my recent posts. but that is where my vote wants to be

ahh hell vote Prof.P for the time being.

for multiple reasons that I and others have stated.

You do know that **ToeJam **flipped town right?

[Biotop]

@snfaulkner

Aaaaaaand now terquilers shots are happening
I haven’t seen anything to make me want to change my vote. ALso, the case on biotop is bullshit. He might be scum, but not for any of the reasons for which he has votes.

And you might be Alpha Scumfather yourself… but thanks.

[LightFoot]

@sinjin

You do know that **ToeJam **flipped town right?

yes damn short hand notes I meant** ThingFish**

:smack::smack::smack:!

[Hal_Briston]

Ugh…illness has swept through the Briston household leaving my up to my elbows in tissues. So much of the time I’d like to spend reading was spent wiping kid noses (although a quick read-through shows worse things around here – hope all is going better by you, MHaye).

Now then…

@NAF1138

DAILY VOTE COUNT

<snip>

**Hal Briston (2) **
Plumpudding (298), Hockey Monkey (305)

I’m not about to go throwing around an OMGUS vote – I’m just going to point out that I’m garnering votes for saying “voting for a known town player is a bad thing”. You can try and twist and any way you like, but the only thing we have here are facts: PlumPudding and CTTDSWHCookies voted for Idle after he showed himself to be town, and these two feel pointing that out is a bad thing.

Still need to read more (in the morning) before I decide how I’m voting, but just putting it out there for the record. If/when I’m ever taken out, you’ve very likely got a some anti-town element named above.

[sinjin]

@Prof.Pepperwinkle

And just for the record, one more time, let’s see Who’s Posting:

Who Posted?
Total Posts: 483
User Name Posts
paulwhoisaghost 87
LightFoot 49
Prof. Pepperwinkle 37
snfaulkner 32
Boozahol Squid, P.I. 20
TexCat 17
Total Lost 15
raventhief 14
Koldanar 13
GuiriEnEspaña 13
Biotop 12
Inner Stickler 12
bufftabby 11
NAF1138 9
Nanook of the North Shore 9
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 9
Khameleon 9
HookerChemical 8
Lakai 7
Hoopy Frood 7
DiggitCamara 7
Hawkeyeop 7
Pleonast 6
sachertorte 6
Plumpudding 6
Crys75 6
Captain Klutz 5
AngeloftheNorth 5
sinjin 5
Hockey Monkey 5
BillMC 4
Enderw24 4
Mahaloth 4
Johnny Bravo 4
MHaye 3
Hal Briston 3
storyteller0910 2
Zeriel 2
Scathach 2
Cygnus42 2
Meeko 2
Sunny Daze 1
nesta 1
ToeJam 1

and more to the point, who isn’t.

Well **ToeJam ** and **Angel **happen to be dead and **storyteller ** and **NAF **are mods but that’s a nice list you copied.

[sinjin]

@Prof.Pepperwinkle

Okay, you have made your point regarding Angel.

My vote is more of a gut reaction, so I’ll leave it there until tomorrow, and move it if I need to defend myself.

I was invoking the name of Angel because obviously no one is listening to me.

That’s all you have to say about it. You have actively been trying to mislead us with Angel’s supposed distrust of 3p’s when she disavowed that over and over in this game. Were you actually reading her posts or just basking in the glory of getting townie cred from a vanilla town? From a player who posted that you have always fooled her when you are scum. Scummy, scummy, scummy.

[Meeko]

@Prof.Pepperwinkle

And it looks to me like a lot of players have just run out of steam.

This.