Mafia Reunion Day 6

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The thing I think yall are missing is that what Khameleon had to say was defending against the case on her by JohnnyB. It made sense for JohnnyB to get his case out Night 3 in case he was killed. But if Khameleon was killed overnight then there’s no point in defending herself. Why not wait and defend herself in the day thread where it would be easier for people getting ready to vote her to see her defense.

JohnnyB had some legitimate points in his original case on Khammie, but Guiri’s point about Khammie not defending herself at night does not add to the case IMHO.

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So I was all set to vote for snfaulkner after Prof came up scum, but that didn’t happen. I still think snfaulker’s vote switch was odd, but nothing else seems suspicious, so no vote for now.

Instead I’m going to vote Hal Briston who has made basically no effort to find scum. And as pointed out by Bufftabby, he spent some of his very limited post count with a question about scum logistics, something Booz did too.

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I apologize and fully acknowledge Lightfoot is in the game.

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*"[ flaky- really-where? * I am distracted with all the medcal bs ( and the financial that goes with)we are dealing with right now. but I am tryng to be a player when I can.

I was trying to gleen somethng from the info- all I really got was a bunch of if/then stuff-balance can’t be pinned with the mimic roles. .The power roles know what they can do- no reason to publicize what I thnk about their future moves. and have already said I don’t advocate any claims at this time. by my maths we have 8 players that are eiither townspersons or other 3P

1-top suspects no order
[ul] **hawkeye, ,capt. K, and one of Khameleon/Kolandar
** every time I read them rememberI want to look closer
,include the posters that are still alive by minimum posting - abad day or two, I get- but D6 and just under the radar smells.[/ul]
there are others that teeter totter

2.LUTHA, like I said before now they are warm bodies for balancing against a Scum win ( on the numbers side) - separate post to follow about them.

3.The only advce feel comfortable gving to remaining powers (Town) is - use what you have every cycle you can . it may seem daunting with this large a pool- but if yours is not a one shot , use the bugger .

Do you no longer feel that way? My takeaway from thm was simular.

[sub] appologies for my sticky keyboard I CAN SPELL [/sub]

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My bad. Sorry. That’s a copy paste error. She should not have been on that list either time.

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not sure how to take you having me on your mind (or any lst for that matter)

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OPEN LETTER TO LUTHA
No I am not going to leave you alone.
my logc gets me in trouble but here goes. you are 4 * Town has a min. of 9**=13*

Scum are at 8
Since my ‘plan’ was met with disfavour or ignored,you need to thnk about how you are gong to proceed.

by not claiming you are not even attempting to show Town good faith-
as Scum numbers dwindle the one claimed Lutha is the only record we have of LUTHA’s intent. claiming after their demise will not help your cause as much
Outing your selves won’t help Scum- any dead not theirs furthers their win-com. (Town,Lutha,bearinbunnysuit) all the same to them. Identifying “not scum” helps Town.

** crys ** would you comment?

*assumed
**known

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Thanks Lightfoot.

OK, I’ll take another look at Hawkeye’s 39 posts, see you back here later…

Not sure what you mean by this? Is this what’s left over when you count mafia, wolves, lutha, and remaining power roles?

Her response was plausible. The fact that she left a response for the next Day implied to me that she expected to be around the next Day but she explained that posting a defense to the vote only made sense if she was still around the next Day.

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HawkeyeopN0#182 Discussing pro-town strategies during N0 is slightly unfair to scum, unless we discuss best strategies for them
D1#309 Surprised to see so many posts, ready to start hunting for scum
D1#307 Found Colby’s comment more nonsensical than scummy, found Hockey’s post most suspicious, notes Colby’s response sounds like scum annoyed by a weak vote
D1#321 Re: not talking about scum strategy, is a dilemma, not wanting to help scum, who’ve probably already discussed their strategu, but does not want to discourage conversation
D1#349 Withdraws suspicion of Hockey since she claims she votes as she was reading and not aware of a bandwagon
D1#350 Votes Colby 9th for his lack of defense
D2#409 Considers extended absences a null tell, agrees with jsgoddess that Colby reacted weirdly to being called on his comment, meta or no meta, disagrees with Boozy that we should not use the 2nd lynch - is open to allowing individuals “we strongly believe are town to choose the 2nd death” and mentions Brewha
D2#512 Considers brewha confirmed town for his switch claim and lack of scum motivation
D2#518 Corrects himself about the number of town held switches
D2#519 To sachertorte, does not think every role has a switch, maybe just the killing ones
D2#573 Asks Crys to share wincon, does not think we need to lynch 3p asap
D2#803 Votes Crys 10th, for inconsistencies with role PM, no rationale for claiming, is OK with a brewha train, vig switch is likely to be controlled by scum, is pinged by Chronos and Boozy
D2#811 To Paul, did not find arguments to convince him of Crys’ motivations, claiming did not help her survive, finding the others doesn’t help either, defends choice of Crys over Brewha as safer - brewha could be a townie who made a mistake, but Crys’ actions were deliberate, would accept a double lynch
D3#139 Would like to kill a 3p but lynching scum takes priority today, doesn’t find the case against toejam compelling, will look at other players
D3#758 No time to look at others, will start with Mhaye, votes Idle 15th, “at worst he’s unhelpful vanilla town, at best he is a scum”
D3#761 Looks at MHaye: is helful, behind, joins wagons
D3#896 To Plump, does not think Idle will be mod-killed
D3#900 Missed the screenshot, will leave it to mods before unvoting
D4#47 To Klutz, maybe Vig killed Toejam, plans to go over vote records, sharing votes with wolves is a slight town cred, asks Crys if she investigated sache
D4#123 To crys, who says she was asked not to, asks by whom? No reason not to confirm
D4#320 Votes Boozy 8th, thinks his early posts betrayed his most pressing concerns, not a townie’s, also weak votes, omgus votes, and getting rid of 3p
D4#341 Is corrected by Boozy about omgus, was just once. Argues that scum will discuss in the main thread too, as town had info they don’t have
D4#351 To Pleo who disagrees, Boozy can be scummy for his topics but the discussion can still help town and should not be discouraged
D4#377 To Paul, explains how Boozy discussing switches can help scum learn more
D4#427 To Prof.P, comments on his vote on 3p based on Angel’s advice. 3p hurt scum more than town, and if they can kill, will try to kill scum
D5#6 Votes Prof.P 1st, out of the gate, with no further comment
D5#148 Could be fewer than 5 lutha, would be happy to lynch one D6
D5#211 Thinks Prof.P. case is a slam dunk, based both on voting 3p but also Pleo’s votes, will look at others
D5#215 Scum will bus, should not clear players for voting scum
D5#219 To Paul, too early to tell whether scum are bussing or not, is likely, Johnny has a point in his favor but is not cleared
D5#240 Thinks Pleo had to know we’d look at his posts, FOSes snfaulkner for voting, then jumping off Prof.P, doesn’t buy snfaulkner’s reason for the unvote - deserves a long look
D5#274 To Lightfoot, fishing is OK with 3p
D5#275 To Lightfoot, read posts again, sees objection to Koldanar
D5#325 Is still suspicious of sache and the claim, but thinks 3p are pro-town
D5#331 To Paul, 3p would lie about number if it helps their wincon
D5#355 To Hooker, need to consider non-cultist 3p when looking at lylo/wincons
D5#401 Agrees with Paul that Zeriel looks non-scummy, except vote on Idle
D5#470 To Crys, what’s a first deacon?
D5#485 To Paul, explains reason for question, not sure why a survivor group would have a leader
D6#162 Was going to vote snfaulkner, only thing suspicious was vote switch, votes Hal 2nd instead, limited posts, similar questions about scum to Boozy- Plays both sides of Colby’s comment, stoking the fire or testing the waters, it was a nonsensical comment but Colby’s response to Hockey’s bandwagon vote reads like scum annoyed they got voted for a stupid reason but no vote until later

  • I’m amazed at his comment about allowing others to decide the 2nd lynch on D2, no mention of masons though
  • I’m also surprised by his flip-flopping on Crys and Brewha - from confirmed town to scum in 300 posts, and then voting the claimed 3p over scum
  • He explains that there was a chance that Brewha was town, but that didn’t stop him voting Idle later with similar logic
  • quite a few promises to look at others but, apart from MHaye, never shows any homework
  • he votes Boozy 8th, when Diggit and Prof. P. had just 3 votes, maybe looking like a forgone conclusion
  • I agree with his take on snfaulkner’s unvote of Prof.P
  • his question about first deacon does not sit well with his earlier suspicions about her claim
  • no smoking gun, a bit of a clean-noser, but a history of joining trains, except D5 Prof.P. which was a “slam dunk”
  • was voted by Boozy D1, voted back D4 - could be distancing as he points out
  • I see the vote on Hal

@Hawkeyeop

  • who would you trust to decide a 2nd lynch toDay?
  • did you ever do the review of snfaulker? And the only thing suspicious about him was his unvote of Prof P?
  • did you miss the first/second deacon bit on D2?
  • you voted Crys over Brewha, in case brewha was mistaken town, but voted Colby and Idle to teach scum a lesson?
  • What do you think of Texcat and Total?
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I’m pro any death that a townie initiated. For example, I think an optional pro-town vig should basically always use his ability. Wolf/Mafia deaths are obviously scum controlled and lynched are scum influenced. If a death pick is chosen by a known townie, then at least you know that choice is a townie’s best judgement. Now if you only have one lynch following the likely townie is a little tricky, cause you don’t get much information from it right or wrong. As a 2nd lynch, which is easier to manipulate and still allow vote analysis for the primary lynch, I think it is worth it.

I was surprised too. However, Brewha lied and didn’t have a good reason for it, and that was enough from me to drop him from likely town to likely scum. As I said though, at the time, I’d rather vote for the definite 3rd party (and maybe still scum) then the maybe scum. As it turns out, I was right to be at least a little cautious as Brewha was town. However after that, given Sach’s corroboration and the dearth of scum deaths, it seemed more prudent to focus on scum, so I haven’t voted for Crys again thus far.

Yeah, turns out I had blocked out how time consuming it is. Will try to do some more.

At the moment I do not trust anyone enough for a 2nd lynch.

Not a full review yet. I read Koldanar’s from earlier today and nothing jumped out at me.

Yes. I still think it is odd that they are numbered given the role claim.

I’m not quite sure you mean by teach scum a lesson. All else being equal, I’d rather vote for someone who is being not helpful to town then someone who is being helpful. I hope Hal is scum, but like Colby and Idle, I don’t think it is going hurt town much to lose him even if he is pro-town

No strong opinions. Let me take a look and get back to you.

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If they are hostile (ie win stealing) then they must be eliminated, which is a huge additional lynch burden for town. So Bufftabby, why do you think that this is a more reaiistic scenario?

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I wouldn’t suggest all of them claiming. But perhaps one more would be OK. I could then “confirm” the them. I know town will never be fully convinced we arent dangerous

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After doing a quick read through Vote Khameleon

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high fives Crys

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thank you for responding- I don’t know it you think I make sense- or you are feeling pressure being the only claimed LUTHA or other . but either way.

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NETA but by your own admission you could only " confirm" one. then it becomes a shampoo commercial.

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I think you misunderstand me, because I was very confused by your question at first. Of those two scenarios–claimed cult is actually scum/claimed cult is actually cult albeit hostile–I was saying that I found the latter to be more realistic than the former. Now that we’ve got a flipped cult, we know that to be true in regards to which is more realistic of those two problems.

If you’re asking me what I think you’re asking me, which is why do I think it’s most realistic that cult is actually hostile, as opposed to non-hostile, then I’ll clarify–I don’t. I’m slightly leaning toward cult being survivors as stated, but don’t feel like we have enough info to be sure either way. I was hoping that their flip would include that piece in the alignment, but obviously it doesn’t. If that’s not what you’re asking me, please elucidate.

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Exactly. I can only confirm one.

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This.

Oh wait, you were being facetious?

No seriously. The issue comes down to the “Volume” was not evenly matched to all the players. Not that it can work this way, but I think power roles should go to people who post more in games, not random draws.

The problem is, we all skimmed in this game. It was insurmountable then, it’s something to (and yes, I did, knowingly) abandon now.

Ok, so I caught up from skimming, then what? It’s not like I could add anything, it’s not like I could add anything different, it’s not like I could add anything different, that would be worthwhile, … That anyone would listen to. Etc.

You were not facetious. It is a fact.
Oh, and I also stepped on a nail, barefoot. … Just now at a point where I can say I’m recovering from that. (Yes, I did seek medical help. Don’t get me started on why a tetanus shot needs to be $70 bucks. To say nothing of the other costs.)

I told the game that I would more than likely drop. Frankly, I got to a point where my just randomly voting … Proved fruitless.
I hope this post doesn’t obligate me to play further. I’m not sure what it was, but I do think we learned a lot from this game, or rather it’s set up.

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If that last post put to sharp a point on it : I was barely hanging on to the game as it was, and real life got involved, and I didn’t feel it was worth it to keep it up, and before you know it, that drifting becomes an undertow. … In a real sense, I didn’t feel like fighting against the course of events in my leaving the game.