Where the heck has everyone gone this week? We are getting more posts from the dead than from many of the living.
I will be at work for EOD tomorrow. I will try and check back in the morning. Wow. Are all these players really not going to post and vote after almost two months of play? Really? WTF?
Okay, so I thought I might take a look at who Paul was having words with during night 5 with the hopes that there might be a reason Scum might have offed him. The gist of the argument seemed to be that a few players were being particularly sensitive to his ideas that we needed to try and find more Mafia specifically (over Wolves) at this point. I kind of agree with his reasoning and I think that might have made some Mafia nervous. Then I realized that he most likely would have been killed by Wolves - D’oh. But then I thought that A) I don’t have time to find another case, and B) that it doesn’t really matter if those who he was suspicious of are Mafia or Wolves if they felt that he was drawing attention to them. So this…
In the D5 thread, post #518 Paul is responding to Lightfoot with the following:
He was also having similar disagreements with SNFaulkner.
I do realize that a night kill presumes that he was killed by Wolves and not Mafia, however he was still suspicious of them as scum, so even if they’re wolves he still put heat on them and they’re in a somewhat perilous position being down 2 against the Mafia. Regardless, the defensiveness about being singled out might be a tell. So that leaves me to decide between Lightfoot, Johnnybravo and SNFaulkner.
I feel that Johnny’s play seems somewhat earnest and quite involved so I feel like out of the three he’s the most likely to not be Scum. Lightfoot has been a bit under the radar, but has decent reasons for being so - I hate to judge someone’s play by real life circumstances. So that leaves me to (and sure, call it a bit OMGUS if you like too):
Vote SNFaulkner
Well, I did suggest that lurking can be a tactic for any player, regardless of what team they’re on, but in going back I couldn’t find anywhere I said specifically at night - but I definitely was thinking it and aware of not wanting to remind any Scum that I exist at Night. So I do agree with your point about it - I just didn’t flesh it out as much as I thought I did (sometimes I get confused with what I think vs. what I actually say).
I don’t believe I’ve seen anything from Lakai V2 toDay either.
Vote Cygnus42
Very light on posts. Was one on the late voters on DiggitCamara to put him in the lead over Boozy on Day 4.
I think one of the Lighfeet was a Lakai. With the latest votes, we have a majority voting!
@Klutz and Khameleon, I presume you find Cygnus and snfaulkner the scummiest and therefore the one-off votes, but do none of the other cases appeal to you?
Inner (5): Texcat(55), Johnny(81), Hooker(85), Raven(89), Cygnus(127)
Texcat (3): Hoopy(24), [del]Klutz(26-102)[/del], Plump([del]31-50[/del],50), Guiri(94)
Hal (2): Bufftabby(143), Hawkeyeop(162)
Khameleon (2): snfaulkner(6), [del]Johnny(10-81)[/del], Crys(173)
Johnny (1): Inner(32)
Zeriel (1): Biotop(65)
Snfaulkner (1): Khameleon(182)
Cygnus (1): Klutz(185)
Klutz (0): [del]Texcat(35-55)[/del]
Total (0): [del]Guiri(40-94)[/del]
Not voting (13): Cookies, Ender, Hal, Koldanar, Lakai, LightFoot, Mhaye, Nanook, Nesta, Scathach, Sinjin, Total, Zeriel
Oh, don’t get me wrong, so I am. What surprised me was that on D2 you were sufficiently convinced brewha was Town as to let him decide the 2nd lynch, on D2 - in a game with 4 masons, and lots of confirmable roles, and two scum teams, I just don’t get it. Now toDay there’s no-one you’d trust, again with 3 masons and multiple confirmable roles? I can’t see the scum motivation but it’s pinging.
Hindsight… Without a cop result, or a massive slip, isn’t there always a chance a lynch candidate is Town? Or can you be 100% sure, like you were with Brewha?
Yet this didn’t bother you D2? It looks like you didn’t notice until sache’s flip when you asked Crys to explain.
A bad paraphrase, your words were:
Meeko they already have removed you from the game I think you should be safe.
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You accuse Johnny of being scum for his suspicion of you and vote on sach, but I like that Johnny Bravo is out there making cases against players he believes are scum. The odd thing is that even if he is scum, that doesn’t mean the players he suspects are town. He could be hunting scum on another team.
But you are the vote leader and I haven’t seen a defense of the case that Johnny made against you except the above post which just accuses Johnny and gets somewhat upset that people are asking you for a defense.
Vote Inner Stickler for refusing to confront his many accusers.
Can I throw out a conspiracy theory just to see what everyone thinks? Is it possible that the LUTHA cult has their own board and their own kill?
We know there is another killer out there who is not the town vigilante. What are the chances that this third party killer is a member of LUTHA and the LUTHA members have their own board to discuss who they want to kill?
Some evidence in support of this may be the fact that only the first and second Deacons claimed, which conveniently hides the number of LUTHA out there and suggests possible coordination between LUTHAs before they claimed.
I know the theory is a little loopy, but I think we should consider the fact that LUTHA might have a win condition similar to a serial killer, where they win if they are the only survivors.
I think you are grasping at straws. I do not have a board to discuss things. As far as a kill power I don’t have.one and since there is no board and I don’t know who my cultists are I have no information then the rest do. There may however be a hostile win stealing serial killer type roll a lone wolf trying to take out as many players as they can. A game this size it would be a way to cull the player pool.
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You’re not the first to throw this theory out. I think it’s viable, but I’m not sure how we’d confirm or eliminate the theory short of killing the source of the additional kills and either seeing the role or that the kills stop. I think it would be viable as win sharing survivors or as win stealers.
On Texcat:
Day 1
Votes Normal for editing for precedence reasons. Votes Colby for saying “other team” and keeps it for later lurking argues for Patsy claim. Refuses to look at evidence out of of game. Defends self from Scathach. Some rule discussion and explanation. Encourages leaving of crumbs for the watcher.
Day 2
Defends Colby vote as based on post content and not policy, particularly the vote of Brewha. Suspicious of Toejam bandwagon. Votes BillMC, with prodding from Drainbead, based on being inconsistent on Toejam. Asks questions about switches. Doesn’t see motivation for Brewha to lie. Votes for SNF for being suspected cultist. Quickly switches to actual cultist Crys. Does not trust Crys behavior in regards to Brewha.
Day 3
Finds Sachertorte’s vote of Brewha strange. Votes Prof P for not expressing an opinion. Finds it odd people are talking lynching Toejam, a claimed doctor. Votes Idle for not knowing the amount of scum. Switches back to Prof when Idle posts screenshot. Speculates about who is killing.
Day 4:
Lays off Prof due to vote history. Thinks Paul might be a wolf. Looks at Khameleon’s post history, but after initial thinking 3rd party, ends up not coming to much of an opinion. More speculation on who is doing killing. Looks at Koldanar and questions him on his stance on 3rd parties. Thinks trying to distuingh between scum groups is a waste of time and gets increasingly annoyed at the discussion. Attacks Paul for questioning his questioning of Koldanar and for the mafia vs wolf thing. Votes Paul. Lots of back and forth with Paul. Switches to Boozy to make the vote 11-11 with a short explanation on defensive play, other people’s suspicions, and vote history.
Day 5:
Moves vote back to Paul. Thinks Prof can’t be a wolf based on vote history. Questions people complaining about lurkers but not voting for them. Doesn’t think Pleo investigated Prof. Defends self against Hoopy Frood vote. Remains concerned with a serial killer. Thinks Koldanar and Inner Stickler are cultists.
Day 6:
Votes Captain Klutz for bandwagoning on the texcat train. Defends self against votes. Thinks Captain’s vote history is weak, but switches vote to Inner Stickler for poor vote logic.
*Well now I have stronger opinions. Texcat is definitely scum. Also definitely town. Possibly third party.
On the scum front, the early push for information (Patsy claims, crumb leaving) is a bit suspicious. Also, Texcat seems particularly obsessed with third parties and serial killers, which would be useful information for scum to figure out. Or a cultist who has some strong reason to identify the serial killer.
However, Texcat’s vote history is solid, particularly avoiding the Prof train and the Boozy vote. She (it is she right?) votes early and aggressively switches, which makes me think she is a determined townee. She is a little defensive on her votes lately, but that could easily be a frustrated townee.
Well we don’t have any claimed town roles right now. If someone claims a town role and they aren’t countered then I would trust that person with a 2nd lynch. I just meant at this precise moment, no one fits that category.
Right. So it depends on the relative merits of lynching a known third party and a scum. This is going to alter over the course of a game depending on what information can be gathered, strength of the case, and remaining player ratio.
Didn’t notice it, so it didn’t bother me.
Not quite sure here. Did I answer your question?
This sounds like something a cult member trying to hide the existence of a secret board and kill power would say.
Anyway we can confirm if a cult is win sharing or win stealing? Maybe if we kill of the scum and the game doesn’t end? I guess then we would have to keep lynching people until all the cult members are killed.
Hey, a vote - cool stuff.
Deciding between Diggit & Boozy on day 4…I believed in the case on Diggit a bit more. Obviously that turned out to be incorrect, but it wasn’t a crazy concept at the time.
During the one other game of Mafia I played on SDMB, my posting habits were about the same - absorb what I could from the more vocal players, and jump in when I thought I had something useful to contribute. I realize that’s not the most helpful style for this sort of thing though…I don’t have the personality to be chatty (& a bit combative), which is what the better players do more easily & reliably.
For today, I’ve got a vote on Inner…I hope it works out, but I’m 0 for 2 so far.
PS - On preview, I think **Lakai **is being a bit paranoid. I don’t think it likely that cultists have their own board and kill power. That would turn them into a 3rd scum faction basically, which seems unreasonable to me.
I think “know” was probably an overly confident word on my part. If you’re wondering, it wasn’t part of a soft claim or anything like that. It’s just that the claim, when taken as a whole, felt like it couldn’t make sense.
So what was untruthful? Dunno.
When Crys claimed, there were some theories that maybe it was a scum gambit to throw people off the trail. Certainly, it was a possibility. But I never bought into that as it seemed too far fetched. I always assumed that Crys was telling the truth on being 3rd party and, with Sach gone, that seems to be almost total confirmation there.
The problem I had was there there was zero way to verify that Crys’s claim that their 3rd party were completely harmless and so it would be very easy to make up something else with us being none the wiser. I also found it odd that there would be a whole group of five 3rd party out there under the radar that’s supposedly harmless and doesn’t interfere or interact with Town’s win condition.
It all doesn’t make sense. If, at the end of the game, I find out that Crys was 100% telling the truth in the claim, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong. Right now, I don’t completely buy it.
But the reason I stopped harping on it is precisely because there’s zero way of knowing what the lie is. And since, whatever the end goal of the 3rd party is, it’s not a factor in Town’s win condition, I shouldn’t worry about it.
What’s New Pussy(Tex)Cat?
The issue I see with someone claiming and you trying to confirm them is if they get killed the Night you try to confirm them, you will have used your power for no purpose. And if there’s a Night Serial Killer out there, it would be a good strategy for them, depending on what the exact win condition they have is. (Claimed survivors are great roles for SK’s to target. Town and Scum tend to leave them alone until end game, which means the SK can usually kill them without any concerns of protects/watchers/etc.) And scum might do it because if you align with town, the larger a confirmed “not-scum” block that can be established, the smaller a pool scum have to hide.
Assuming their win condition doesn’t trigger when all the scum are dead of course. Granted, I still think at this point in the game it’s not something we should be overly concerned about.
Vote Inner Stickler
I looked up the case on TexCat btw. I’m not buying it so far. It’s two people who today said “I’m voting because of my votes from previous days. That’s where my case is.” But I looked up that case on Day 5 and it’s basically Hoopy saying that TexCat is smudging him for low participation. That’s not a reason to vote for someone two Days in a row.
That’s the only takeaway you got my WoW? Really? That’s your story and you’re sticking to it?
I’m sorry for not being around. Wednesday we closed on the sale of a $10m hotel, which means the accounting department(which is me and one other person!) gets to do all sorts of fun things. Combining that with the fact that our audit is about a month away…well, my free time is pretty limited.
I haven’t spent enough time to form a vote Today. I’m sorry.