I’ll make this brief, since I’m out of time completely this week
I’ve been trying to play logically this game, and it hasn’t worked. I’ve been playing orff other cases, and that hasn’t worked. Simply put, I’m making my own short case here.
Using my gut feelings, and looking at the list posted above of unclaimed players. I don’t recognize two of them.
Cygnus, you have been far too absent this game.
Vote Cygnus42
I had been opposed to the mass claim because I figured anyone who could claim would do so if they got into trouble, and that way we wouldn’t be helping Scum determine who to kill.
However, with the lynch coming down to the wire — that leads to problems with last-minute claims. I will be at work during EOD Sunday. I am sure I am not the only one unable to react in the closing hours to last- minute claims/shenanigans. So maybe mass claim is indeed the way to go.
The cases presented on Cygnus have been pretty compelling thus far, and I was down a rabbit hole of worrying about some folks who turned out to be pretty solidly masons.
Another interesting pattern to add: Cygnus has been a late voter on the vote leader every day, with the exception of Idle’s meltdown in which he was a late voter on the second-place candidate.
vote Cygnus
Very sorry Lakai for outing you. I’ve been concerned about being lynched or killed for a while and had been trying to breadcrumb rather unsuccessfully so I tried to be a bit more obvious today. I don’t think a mass claim at this point would be a bad decision - however it’s probably easy for me to say as I’m outed.
I think the cases against Johnny Bravo and Cygnus are both reasonable but I still feel a bit leary voting Johnny because of his prolific posting (although I think the hiding in plain sight may be possible). So for now I will:
Vote Cygnus
Well…this seems to be
…sigh, bad click…
Anyway, this seems to be escalating quickly.
Unfortunately, I don’t have any claims to make, or magic baggage to unveil. Not a cultist, or mason, or anything - just a simple vanilla town. If I’m the next lynch, so be it - I can’t really fault the votes for low participation.
It’s late here, but I do want to get a vote down for posterity. I’m tempted to vote Texcat, since it seems like she’s had a constant low level of suspicion all game, but never had anything pick up steam. There were a couple good cases made, but nothing stuck.
But, instead, I’m going to go ahead and
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vote Johnny Bravo**
That way, if he does turn out to be scum, I can retroactively claim a tiny bit of credit.
I think that’s quite a good defense, but it breaks down on the whole. First, there are only four vanilla town slots left, so the odds of you being one are less than being something else. Second, why didn’t you respond to Guiri’s case against you directly?
Third, you are “tempted” to vote Texcat, but vote Johnny instead, for some type of credit. I don’t understand this at all.
This seems like a caught scum defense.
Vote Cygnus42
That’s a quick bunch of votes on Cygnus. I did vote for him on Day 6, but that sudden rush gives me a bit of pause.
No vote yet.
Vote Zeriel
His only contribution toDay is:
82 Vote because “You know what I hate? Magic bags.”
98 Unvote that player after a claim
163 Jump on the Cygnus bandwagon (although not quite a "me too’, he did give an additional point about Cygnus’s voting)
So it looks like I’m doing another one-off vote toDay. Second on the vote count is Johnny Bravo. I think he is town, so I would prefer a Cygnus lynch over Johhny Bravo. I may move my vote if necessary, although I am unlikely to be around at end of Day.
Nesta, what I was referring to was yes, Angel and her 400% Town comment, but also going the other way. Paul expressed absolute unwavering trust of Angel, and so did Prof P. Not, I think this person is Town, but I know this person is Town. All of them were vanilla! So I was unwilling to give the benefit of the doubt based on possible breadcrumbs that I missed until pointed out.
Of course, it’s no longer a possible breadcrumb. unvote lakai
vote Cygnus
His flailings today are kinda suspicious, and with his overall participation he isn’t contributing to scum hunting in any sort of meaningful way.
Reading through Cygnus’s contributions, I’m neutral to his lynch. He could very well be an overwhelmed vanilla townie in his 2nd game. On the other hand, a response of don’t vote for be because I’m bad at this is a common tactic for an accused scum.
The only other main vote getter is Johnny Bravo, and I’m not willing to vote for him either at this point. His Booz vote was key to the sequence, and the train against him seems weak. I still would like to do a fuller review of him, but that is probably not going to happen toDAY.
I don’t want to not vote, so I’ll probably end up with a one vote somewhere, particularly if the Cygnus lynch is assured.
It looks like Cygnus is going to be lynched, barring last minute shenanigans. I’m OK with that lynch. It’s certainly possible that Cygnus is scum, but I’m not really convinced.
I am convinced that Koldanar edited his PM. I still don’t know what he’s hiding, but it’s possible that he’s scum. I do hope that if some of the LUTHA have investigations left that they use them on Koldanar tonight.
vote: Koldanar
And I wouldn’t mind seeing a vote count. :rolleyes:
I generally agree with logic, but for it to work at all the remaining cultists need to claim as well, and I’m not sure how they can be convinced to do so.
Unofficial Vote Count
Cygnus (7): Lightfoot(143), Guiri(149), Koldanar(161), Zeriel(163), Khameleon(164), nesta(167), Nanook(170)
Johnny (3): Lakai(132), bufftabby(144), Cygnus(166)
Zeriel (2): Biotop(49), Klutz(169)
Koldanar (2): Scathach(13), [del]Johnny(103-128)[/del], Texcat(172)
nesta (1): Johnny(128)
Khameleon (0): [del]snfaulkner(68-115)[/del], [del]Johnny(70-103)[/del], [del]Zeriel(82-98)[/del]
Nanook (0): [del]Lakai(73-132)[/del], [del]Khameleon(80-93)[/del]
Texcat (0): [del]Guiri(67-149)[/del]
Lakai (0): [del]Nanook(107-170)[/del]
Not Voting (6): hawkeyeop, MHaye, Plumpudding, Raventhief, sinjin (0 posts), snfaulkner
OK, I see that, I just didn’t see anything in common with Lakai’s vote reasoning: Johnny’s voting a cultist, there’s nothing deceitful in editing to merit suspicion, Johnny’s concerned that other masons may be inactive and not around to confirm the claim, Johnny did not recognize Khameleon’s vote as a soft claim that they were masons. So, same candidate, just significantly different reasoning: attack on Meeko for posting in the N0 thread, suggesting we avoid discussion at Night.
What was your role in your first game? Town? You were 3-4 times more active there.
Exactly, even without a claim, I assume you’re not suggesting you’re scum, but yeah.
Without another case I feel strongly about I’m going to vote for Koldanar for now. I don’t think he is lying about being a cultist, but I do think he is lying about something.
Sorry for my absence. This game and my time availability sucks for me. I’ve been wrong about everyone I’ve suspected.
It seems to me that **MHaye **should be dead by now, but he’s not. But he has not been counterclaimed so he must be who he says he is.
Koldanar is my primary suspect right now. I find it very strange that his switch pm mentioned his alignment. I also find it very suspicious that a cult player who could only investigate for other cult members, who was going to investigate Koldanar, was killed instead of supposed cult member Koldanar. who could potentially interfere with scum actions. Does not add up.
vote Koldanar
Unoffical vote count with under seventy minutes to go.
Six votes.Cygnus42
LightFoot (+143); guiri (+149); Koldanar (+161); Zeriel (+163); Khameleon (+164); nesta (+167); Three votes.Johnny Bravo
Lakai (+132); bufftabby (+144); Cygnus42 (+166); Two votes.Zeriel
Biotop (+49); Captain Klutz (+169); One vote.Koldanar
Scathach (+13); Johnny Bravo (+103, -128);
Lakai
Nanook (+107);
nesta
Johnny Bravo (+128);
Having ensured I know the status quo, I’ll discuss my feelings about the vote leaders.
First, Cygnus42.
He had a case made against him, primarily by guiri. He made a response to this in [post=20043754]post 153[/post] Today. The defence was not what I would call robust. He would not even commit to being Town, and that makes me think he is not.
At this stage, a cultist under the hammer should be claiming.
As an aside, I personally believe that the cult as a bloc are third party and nonhostile, just as Crys and Sachertorte claimed. The one to look at closely is their great leader, Koldanar. There is a precedent of a group having an alternate wincon, and only one or two members of the group could take the group down the road of the alternate wincon. This means that I would hope the other two cultists could claim. That is entirely a matter for them.
Back to Cygnus; my gut feeling after D08.153 is that he is not Town, so he’s a viable vote.
Secondly Johnny Bravo. Johnny has, iirc, pushed the idea that the Cult is the enemy most of the game. So much so that I wonder if he’s a second winstealing third party who needs to kill the Cult but, for some reason, can’t kill the Pontiff until all the others are dead (if he could kill Koldanar he would have done so by now.)
Storyteller does have form for competing serial killers. See the Murder-Off between Freddie Krueger and the Alien in the first Evil Dead game.
There are others who have attracted passing thoughts, but at this stage have no more than one thin reed waving at them. If I get more evidence, I’ll let you know.
For now: -
vote Cygnus42.
I have exactly 2 hours before I can actually post the end of Day. I am speaking off from a Birthday party my kid is at to even post this. I’m going to poke one of the other mods to try to end it faster. But Dusk no later than 5:30 if not.