where have you been? we were told there were 7 wolves and 7 mafia – and their roles are listed.
and… um… I need to rethink you
It was a rhetorical question.
Thought experiment: What if there are OTHER than two claimants?
If I understand the question - if more than 2 claim we have liars and well, you know
That would be excellent. Then we would definitely have a liar among them. Then I would certainly agree that we have scum masquerading as third party.
Yeah, i wasn’t thinking clearly. There aren’t vanilla scum in this game. Vanilla town, but not scum.
Simply an assumption here - It was possible there are deacons 3 and 4 - I don’t know the structure myself. It’s also possible they are vanilla, as some others are saying, or something else entirely.
Your day 3 question -
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What kind of result were you expecting?
Ender investigated ToeJam D3, and got non-wolf, surely this means snfaulkner is non-wolf? Isn’t that a pretty good result or have I missed where you declared that?
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I wasn’t expecting much - I do not get any feedback myself on my investigations, excepting if there is a visible result at end of Day / Night. I was hoping to either direct investigations towards those I found suspicious, or to possible find a vig / sk / hitman etc.
Why I didn’t include them at first? I’m just a lazy poster, honestly. I’m not hiding anything, though I know you can’t trust that 100% at this point.
Okay, I had this whole thing typed up about LUTHA claims and so on, and that meandered me to look at Koldanar’s claim again.
Guys, please pay attention and comment.
Here is Koldanar’s role claim:
I started thinking that it was odd how Koldanar’s BACKGROUND was precisely the same as Crys and Sachertorte even though his role is different. This doesn’t jive for a game with so much detail put into every single role.
Then I looked at his POWERS section.
It does not match the other roles in the public document.
Go look. There is very little fluff for the other powers. For the most part, they get right to the mechanics. If there is fluff, it’s minor. If there’s fluff at the beginning of a power description, it’s extremely minor so as to not get in the way of the actual power. There is no role in the entire document that has as much silliness as Koldanar’s in the POWERS section.
Chunks of Koldanar’s POWERS section look, 100%, would belong in the BACKGROUND section of any other role.
Summary:
- Koldanar’s BACKGROUND section matches the Deacons exactly even though he is a different role altogether.
- Koldanar’s POWERS section has too much fluff in it as compared to the other POWERS sections in the public role list.
Conclusion: Koldanar’s claim is fake.
Well, I did exactly what you asked and went and looked at the other powers in the role document. And yeah, other than Vanilla Town, they basically all start the Powers section off with the goods. None of them have two sentences worth of fluff before saying what they actually do. That looks pretty bad.
For the record, I despise this type of analysis in a vacuum. It feels so…meta-y. But at the same time, if you’re going to post something, you have to expect people to dissect it. I’m so torn.
I generally agree that meta-analysis is bad (I refuse to do things like look at a player’s online activity or what have you), but how else would we evaluate a potentially fake claim?
Since this is setup has a public roles list, I think it’s pretty fair game in this case.
Don’t misunderstand, I agree with you. Any game with public roles is fair game to be analyzed if you pull something out that is outside of the posted norm. I’m more expressing a feeling than an actual objection.
You are honestly stating that since I have fluff in my powers section, that my claim is fake? Seriously?
Well shoot, if I’m voted off the island tomorrow, and my claim is true, you guys know who to look at.
People we think are scummy?
Let’s face it, meta-analysis of the specific text of claimed hidden roles has worked before in town’s favor.
(Let’s also not forget it’s also bitten us in the ass–the point is, there’s nothing particularly hinky about Bravo’s line of reasoning.)
I just find it a huge stretch, here. Couple that with the scummy vibes I’ve had from him all game, and it seems bad to me. That being said, I do realize this seems OMGUS at this point, so I won’t beat this into the ground.
I could always offer to redirect Mhaye during day 8 to prove what is going on, yes?
All that would prove is that your power is what you claim it is, but would say nothing about the rest of the claim. It would however mean you are definitely not scum fake claiming, so I’d be willing to give you at least a temporary pass with it.
Nice smudge, but I’ve already said that my working theory is that you’re lying cult, not scum.
I think your role reveals more than you want to reveal, so you moved things around to create a bowdlerized claim. It would explain why your claim process was so dragged out.
You’ve had “scummy vibes” from me all game? Could you be more concrete? I’m one of the most prolific posters still alive, so maybe you could go ahead and quantify what’s scummy about me other than the fact that I’m’a callin’ you out.
The whole Koldanar claim is bizarre, but why would Scum make it up? **Koldanar **was under no pressure. A false claim might still be disputed by a theoretical deacon #3+, even if the nefarious plot was to silence crys immediately. Also, if I was going to throw out a fake claim, I 'd damn well have the answers to whom I redirected and to whom I redirected ready and waiting.
**Koldanar **says he has a SK switch and that he thinks the other switch holder is dead. If this is the case, why has the SK been able to kill?
Have you not been throwing the switch, Koldanar? If you have, then either the other switch holder is still alive or there is another killer, right?
I am home sick in bed with the flu, but I don’t think it is the fever that makes this all unclear to me.
Specifically, he said he had the GladOS switch, and we know Cookies was GladOS.
Right. So I would assume **Koldanar **would throw this switch, as he himself indicated there is a good chance the other switch holder is dead and GLaDOS is bad for cult.
Yet two players died last Night. Yet toDay, an extra death seems to have been zoning inspector blocked, if we are to believe the color. So either **Koldanar **is not throwing his switch, or he is throwing the switch but someone else is also throwing the matching switch, or there is another killer, or …what?